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MEG LUSH: How An Indie Romance Author Turned Pain Into Purpose And Sold 800 Books

• Julie Fairhurst • Episode 165

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A health crisis stole sensation from Meg Lush’s right side and gave her a story that wouldn’t let go. What started as a search for identity during an MS relapse became 120,000 words in six weeks, a self-published debut, and a year-long push to 800 sales. Julie sits down with Meg to unpack the exact steps behind her indie romance rise, from finding an editor by serendipity to learning Amazon and Kindle from scratch, and the unglamorous work of talking to strangers at markets until curiosity turned into readers.

We explore why she chose open-door romance, how dark themes and real grief shaped her characters, and what happens when you write from the body, not just the brain. When it came to marketing, Meg learned on her own. Suppose you’ve ever wondered how to market a first novel without a platform, her Indigo table stories. In that case, vendor market wins, and the Instagram growth playbook delivers practical, repeatable tactics that are lessons you need to learn.

There’s more on craft, too: writing intimacy with respect, depicting mental health with care, and letting lived experience deepen the stakes without exploiting pain. Meg also teases her next project, The One I Hurt, a darker, psychologically rich romance with a dash of mystery. The throughline is courage, saying no to perfection, claiming time to write, and letting passion become purpose. Press play to learn how to ship before you feel ready, connect with the right readers, and build momentum one honest conversation at a time. If this conversation moved you, subscribe, share with a friend who needs a nudge, and leave a review to help others find the show.

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Who Is Julie Fairhurst?

Speaker • Author • Business Strategist • Founder of Women Like Me

Julie Fairhurst is a force of nature disguised as a woman with a pen and a business brain built for impact. As the founder of the Women Like Me Book Program, she has opened the door for women around the world to share their truth, heal their past, and rise into their power. Since 2019, she has published more than 30 books and over 350 true-life stories — without charging a single writer a dime! Why? Because women’s stories deserve daylight, not gatekeeping.

With 34 years in sales, marketing, and successful business leadership, Julie knows how to turn storytelling into influence and influence into income.

Her mission is clear and unapologetic: break generational trauma one story at a time and help women elevate both emotionally and financially. She doesn’t just publish books, she builds brands, confidence, and possibility, giving women the tools to rewrite their futures, grow their businesses, and lift their families with them.


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SPEAKER_00:

Welcome everyone to another episode of Women Like Me Stories in Business. I'm your host, Julie Fairhurst, and today I have a woman I'm sure we share some of our brains, but I think we share a heart as well. When you start to hear her story and um and what she's been doing and how she reinvented herself, you're gonna love it. So hang in there and uh listen, listen to the entire um uh show. So let me introduce Meg Lush. Today I'm joined with a woman who has a fire heart and a fierce refusal to let life's hardest moments silence her voice. Meg Lush is an indie romance author whose stories are spicy, emotionally driven, and unapologetically open door because she believes love deserves to be seen, not hinted at. Her debut novel, Two for the Love of One, didn't just land, it soared, selling over 800 copies in its first year. So, all my ladies out there in the author world, we haven't sold 800 copies in one go. So let's see what we can learn from Meg. Meg, thank you for being here today. I'm so excited to have you.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you so much for the warm welcome and introduction. I really appreciate being here. I'm super excited. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00:

You're welcome. You're welcome. Well, let's start off with your writing journey, because if I understand correctly, it began, it, it you had a a you have MS and you had a relapse. Do you want to tell us about that?

SPEAKER_01:

Sure, yeah, no problem. So, I mean, prior to uh becoming an independent author, um, you know, I'm I'm happily married. I've got two uh now almost grown boys, 19 and 20. And um, you know, I was I was doing the mom thing, you know, I was the hockey mom, the soccer mom. I was working in a corporate job, I was working a lot of hours, you know, and then I was diagnosed in 2017. Um, and I I took I took life by the horns at that point. I was happy that I had some answers to to my fatigue and and things I was feeling. Um, but it wasn't until about three years later in 2020 when I had a major relapse. And that major relapse left me with um no sensation in the right side of my body. So I'm right-handed. So my hand, uh I couldn't cut a sandwich for my children. I had no feeling in my face. Um, and that was the pinnacle point for me that I realized something's gonna have to change. And I was about, I think I was 41, 42. It was 2020. We were in COVID. Um, and that's that's where I think I really probably hit rock bottom in my own self. Um, I was very lost. Who am I? What am I going to be now? My kids were older at the time. Um, you know, so here I was off work uh and sick and trying to heal and trying to better myself. And everybody else around me was getting their lives back. Everything, everyone was going back to school, they were going back to work, life was carrying on. And here I was stuck in this house going, who am I now? You know, so I actually, you know, talked, thought back to myself, who was I before I was a wife, before I was a mom. And in my mind, I I went back to being about 14, 15 years old. And I had some tragic things happen when I was younger as well. But I one thing that I really remembered is that my my sanctity um was writing. And I used to love writing in high school. And so I just decided that I was gonna write a story, and uh there's a lot of myself in both of my characters, Katerina and Ben. Um, but I had no intentions of what it was gonna be. I just started writing Katarina's story. Um, and uh Katarina then took her own pathway and kind of morphed um as I went along. And you know, within six weeks I'd written close to 120,000 words, and um then I had a manuscript to work with, and then a lot of other things had to happen after that, but that was basically how it began.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow, that's that, and you know that's how it's done.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, it is, really. Um the book took control of me, Katarina took control of me. I was I was getting woken up at 3:30 in the morning with ideas, and you know, I finally got out of bed because before, oh no, no, I'll remember in the morning. You don't remember in the morning. So I'd get up at 3 30 and I'd start writing, and and I would write kind of you know, in those spurts. I wrote a lot in the evening and then I'd I'd edit it throughout the day and re-road what I had written.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So wow, that that thank you for sharing that because I I agree. Uh so you know, when you get that call, if you can, you know, if you don't have to be somewhere at eight o'clock in the morning, get up and and start writing. And uh, and that's the time that it can really, really flow out of you. Yeah, thank you for sharing that. Wow. So did you then so did you then? I'm just curious, did you? I forgot to look this up. Did you go with a publisher or did you do a self-publish?

SPEAKER_01:

I did a self-publish. It was it was quite a process um for myself. So, you know, after that six-week mark, you know, I remember the moment where I wrote the end. Um, and and people are shocked that it took me six weeks to write the book. Um, what what you're reading here is it's not six weeks of work. I mean, the the the marble slab was written in that time, but then it took for me to to learn the stuff. I literally knew nothing. So it was like waking up one morning and saying, you know, I'm gonna um you know climb Mount Everest today, and you've never that's what it felt like. There was a lot for me to learn. Um so I I ended up indie independently um publishing through Amazon and Kindle. And uh I was just lucky that along the way the universe allowed me to meet the proper people that I needed to to help me with that process. And and really it was it was ideally, it was one person, it was my editor, um, who I found uh again just very much by fluke. I was out um getting a tattoo that day um for a personal reason. And and uh I left the tattoo shop and across the street there was a bookstore. And when I went into the bookstore, um a series of of different uh motions, I met Jen, my editor, and uh she wanted to take a look at the book, and and then she she helped me edit it, um, formulate it into what we have now, and uh she gave me all the backdoor ins and outs of how you uh self-edit or self-publish rather on wow.

SPEAKER_00:

So were you were you like blown away? Like how long did it take to sell 800 books? Is this over uh uh uh like how how did that go?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, funny enough, I was telling you before today's November the 26th, and released a year ago today. So taking yeah, it's taking me about a year. Um lots of family support and friends support. I had a book launch uh locally in the town that I live in on December the first. And it I mean, I didn't know what to expect at first. So um all I really wanted, I just wanted one copy for myself. And and so I I ordered one copy from my printer, or not one. I'm like, well, okay, I'll get 50. Um and then I started, you know, the gorilla style marketing, which was I mean, I was in tears. I launched the book on December 1st, and by Christmas time, I was in tears because I thought I was done when I launched the book. Wait, I gotta market it now, and it was it was it was daunting. I'm not gonna lie, it was really scary. I had no idea what I was doing. I still don't. Um, but you know, again, just I was able to to slowly grow my Instagram profile, which is really really where I did a lot of my my growth um outside of my hometown. Um, but but locally, so I I had the book launch and I had sold uh all 50 books that I'd ordered before the book launch even started. So I think I did another 50. Um I sold out at the book launch and started taking orders. Um and then at that point, I I just like I would order a hundred more and then a hundred more, but I locally did markets and that's what I used the best. Christmas time was was a huge, huge time. Um I checked out that we have uh a wonderful indoor vendors market here where I live, um, predominantly all women entrepreneurs. And I I I mean, again, like I was knocking on doors saying, Can you hang my poster? And uh I went in there and the lady there said, Hey, we're having these Christmas markets, you know, maybe there's some room left. And I was like, Okay, great. So I got a couple of dates in there, and and you know, I just had to talk to people.

SPEAKER_00:

You're an action taker. Okay. Well, you might not think you are, but you are. I can tell by by what you're saying in your story because because it is a daunting task. It is absolutely, and people they you know, they they they get that momentum going, and then for whatever reason, they stop, and then they and then they they go into into that um the fear, I guess, that because it's not selling and why is it not, and they get in their head. And and when you're in your head, it's really not a good place to be. And I can tell from your story that you just you said, no, I'm doing this and I'm pushing it. I'm I don't want to do it, but I'm gonna do it, and I'm pushing my way through. And that's and that's you know, you have to take action. I I tell I told my girlfriend once who's who was um uh alone in the world, and I said, Well, you're not gonna meet like what are you waiting for? Uh, you know, one of your appliances to break down. Like you have to go out and meet people. You have to go out and take action. And and she did, and she's married and and found her love and all of that kind of stuff. But but it's true, we can't just, you know, the universe will do stuff for us, but we can't just sit on our behinds and expect it just to roll up. There's a whole process, and that's and that learning process is so important.

SPEAKER_01:

It really is. And I think, you know, I think the confidence, the confidence roller coaster, especially for women, is real. You know, um, I think a lot of us deal with it right from being a young age when it comes to our physical appearance. And then, you know, uh, do our partners like us? Are we lovable? Um, and then you go into being a parent, and then you're judging yourself and you're questioning yourself on your parenting skills and then my good. So, you know, we all know the confidence roller coaster because we've been on it since forever. Um, you know, and and entrepreneurship is no different. You know, there's days in the morning, my husband would come downstairs. I'm literally like curled up in a ball, and he already knew, and he'd look at me, he goes, Meg, babe, the book is fine. I'm like, I hate it, you know. And then the next day, I'd be like, This is pretty good, you know. So, but it took a long time for me to be confident. And, you know, I think the key is you have to go outside of your comfort zone a little bit, but keep it small. You know, don't go to a huge romance um convention, you know, if that's what you're selling as romance novel. Start small. Um, thankfully, I do have a background in in sales. Um, I've learned to be able to talk to strangers. Um, because yeah, I mean, when I set up at Indigo, for an example, I've had days where I do very well at Indigo because I'll talk to people and they'll kind of look, they'll see my sign, they'll and I'll say, Hey, do you read or what do you read? And you start that conversation. Yes. There's been days where I've been tired or or quite frankly not in the mood. And I'll sit there, and if I don't talk to them, if I don't say anything, they just walk by. So, you know, you're right. But but it does take, you have to wear that hat, you know. And I think for a lot of people who write, uh, in my circle of authors that I know, most authors are are actually quite introverted. And so, um, especially in this genre of of dark romance, um, uh a lot of people will take from their own experiences. And so it can be very therapeutic, but then also extremely personal. And then you're trying to share it to the world, it can be a little bit um uncomfortable. Um, but you you do have to make that choice. You know, you have to decide, you know, if this is what you want to do, um your passion becomes your purpose, right? When your passion becomes your purpose, it does take a different role. It it is work, if you will. Um, but you can take it as far as you want it to go. If you want to keep just in local markets and that's where you're happy, then great. Um, if you can afford to do that, even better. You know, if you do, if you do want to to to build yourself, then yeah, you're gonna have to put in the work to get yourself out there. Cause yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

For sure, for sure. So what we focus on at women like me is true life stories. Okay. Yeah. So we've got uh 350 true life stories published. Wonderful. Yeah, thank you. And it's it's um for some ladies, well, pretty much for most ladies, I find when they're when they begin their writing process, they're very fearful because because similar to what your genre is, they're also opening up and sharing intimate details and and um uh about their personal lives. And and it can it can be very, very, very tough. But I can honestly say that I've not had one of those 180 women thus far. We have another book on the go now, who have said, I wish I didn't do it. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

Not one. I can completely relate to that because much as this novel is fictional. Um, there there is a lot of my personality um in, particularly in Katerina, also in Ben. Ben struggles with um with some mental health uh issues and and some other things. I don't want to give away too much of the book, but it is a very emotionally driven book. And the feedback that I've gotten from people who have bought it, um, particularly what's so warming to my heart is those strangers that I meet at Indigo that will then message me later and say, I literally just put your book down and it's been 12 hours, you know, and and they read it and they so quickly because they were so engrossed in the characters. Um, but you know, Katarina is very uh she's very much so she's loosely based, but she's she's based on me. So there there is, you know, um some situations that happened to Katerina, um, definitely in her feelings of inadequacy, her feelings of of lack of strength, inner strength. That that was who I was. And that's what I was going through at the time that I was writing it. Um, you know, uh her there's this a quick story about her father and her father passing away. That is a true story that actually happened to me. Um, and it's in the book. And so when it came to that time where, you know, now it's in my hands, and I'm thinking, well, you know, I guess I might as well sell it. It took me a moment, you know, um, to pause because I'm as much as I knew the people who were buying the book wouldn't know it was my story. I knew it was my story. Yes, you know, and I had so much support. I had my husband telling everybody he knew, you know, bosses and everything. And then you you you factor in the fact that it's an open door dark uh pardon me, an open door dark romance. And if you don't know what that means, open door means you're reading the the intimacy scenes on the page as they're happening. There's no fade to black. So you know, um, that's the fiction part. But you know, not gonna let you too much into my world, but yeah, yeah, that you know, these people, my friends were supporting me and and buying them for their colleagues and their friends and their moms, and their, you know, I was like, okay, like this is this is this is my heart and my soul, and reading it, and um that takes a lot of inner straight. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, but what advice would you have for a woman that might want to move into your genre? I I actually have a couple of uh writers who I think you ladies should be writing romance novels 100%. And I've also done a lot of research, and they tend to be good sellers.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. So I'll tell you, I didn't set out to write a romance at all. I set out uh to write Katarina's story, um, more based on her relationship with her dad and her dad being a homosexual man who who died at a very young age of HIV, um, is a true story to to myself. My father died when I was 15. And and that was kind of um, I think the inner trauma that I was trying to tackle at the time uh that I was writing the book. And it it so it turned into a romance unbeknownst to me. I I I was kind of shocked when Ben showed up. And then I just anyway, it is what it is. Um, so I I think my advice to anyone who is a writer of any genre is that you have to it it will come from you if it's in you. Um and for someone who who knows already that it's in them and they want it to, they they want to do something um with a specific genre, I recommend to read different um authors in the genre and see type of what else is out there. Because when I had finished Two for the Love of One, I'd actually never read a romance. Romance wasn't my wasn't my thing. And when my my editor said to market it as a romance, because of the drama and because of the emotion in it, I didn't I didn't want people to think that it was a romance, a traditional romance, because like people are gonna read it and be shocked. I didn't realize that there's this whole dark romance erotica type of world out there. Um but you're right, 40% of the reading market is romance and dark romance. So it's very, very popular. Um, but my advice would be to read the other authors that are doing well and see where you fit. Because after I wrote mine, um it took me a while to figure out that that um promotional line that I would use of it being spicy open door romance. Um, I flustered with that at first because I really didn't know where I fit because of of the nature of of the piece of work. So that would be my advice. And and other than reading things, um just write. Just write it. And um just let it go.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, love that. That is excellent advice for sure. So what's what is um what's new for you? What's coming up? Are you writing another book or what what are you up to? I I have I have written another book.

SPEAKER_01:

It's called The One I Hurt. Um I'm sorry, can you say the name again? The one I hurt. Oh, the one I okay. So um it's the same genre, uh, two completely different characters. Um, and I'm hoping to have it released uh next year. This one has um this one goes a lot darker into um personal uh psyche and psychology. So there's a bit of a mystery aspect to it, which is new to me. Um, so I'm I'm I'm struggling a little bit with me myself being able to really get, I really want the emotion on the page. The book is in my head, it's written, it's complete. I can see the scenes as a movie reel constantly. Um, but because there's so much depth to these characters and pain uh and personal struggles, um, I really want to get that right because I really want to make sure that when it comes to mental health that I'm depicting it properly. Um so yeah, hopefully next year I I've got it uh mostly written. I've had some beta readers who have read it that love it. So I'm that feeling will continue. And it's probably going to be either a two uh two-book series or possibly a trilogy um once it's done. So wow.

SPEAKER_00:

In the in the area I live, so I'm living just outside of Vancouver uh in uh a beautiful little town called Chilliwac. And um, yeah, and uh there's and I went to an author uh an author show and and um there was this woman there with all these books, all these these uh romance books. And and uh so I've got to know her and she's written 60. Wow. She has different trilogies. Um it is so interesting. And her her covers are beautiful, and um so it and this lady, this lady was uh she was a teacher for many, many years in the United States, and then she burnt out and she didn't know what to do. And so she bought, she was living in the US, she bought a semi-truck. Wow. And at 60 and and started traveling and and working from her truck, making all sorts of money, and uh and writing. So she started her writing journey in her semi-truck.

SPEAKER_01:

I think I'm gonna do that. That sounds like a good plan. I'm gonna buy but I'm gonna I'm getting out of here. I like that.

SPEAKER_00:

But I but I just thought but you know, the point of mentioning her to you as well is that it doesn't matter where we are or where we've come from or what we're doing today or what we did in our past, when you're meant to to get that story out, and I believe that we all have a story that needs to come out, and whether that, you know, whatever genre that is in is in, but um, but uh when you're meant to get it out, it just flows. It's it's amazing. So even for what I'm doing, um, of course, I haven't written every one of those books. All of my books are collaborative of women's stories, but we started in 2019, uh, as I mentioned about my with my niece passing away, she passed away in September of 2019, and our first Woman Like Me book came out in December, and now we've got 38 books. It's incredible. It is incredible because when when you listen, listen and then take action, you know, you you we don't know where we're gonna go in the world. I always say if I gave up to today, I wouldn't know what's around the corner tomorrow. It might just be right there waiting for me.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. I totally agree. And I I think you know, trusting, trusting, you know, your own universe and trusting your instinct and your intuition. I mean, deep down inside, you're right. We all have a story, we all know the answers in our gut. Um, you have to get your hands off the steering wheel a little bit and just let your life take it, you're you know, where you're supposed to go. And and that's what's really happened with with the first novel. And and quite frankly, I mean, it's it's happened with the second novel as well. Um, I got in my own way. Um, lack of confidence, maybe, um, life happening, possibly, you know, timing and stuff, you know. Uh, one of my biggest setbacks is everything has to be perfect, you know. So all the laundry has to be dishes need to be done, dinner needs to be made, you know, all this before I can sit down and write. Well, that's never gonna happen. You know, so the story, as much as it's inside me and it's burning inside of me, um, I have to allow myself um the ability to say no to the world around me and put myself first. And I think that's really hard for a lot of women to do, um, especially women who are who are mothers as well, because you know, your kids are 35 and you're still making sure they went to the doctor, you know. But I think how we're made up and how we're how we're natured to be. Um, you know, so but yeah, you're absolutely like absolutely right. Like it's really, really important that you know you do take that effort to to put yourself first and and make it happen when it wants to happen, because we are the number one person uh in our own lives to put up those brick walls to stop ourselves from doing yeah, that's so so true, so true.

SPEAKER_00:

And such great advice for anyone that's listening out there. Oh, Meg, tell us again where people can find your book.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. So uh there is some um uh local bookstores that carry my book. Um, so you could probably Google uh two for level one or Meg Lush. Uh primarily it's available on Amazon as well as Kindle. So Amazon, you can go and and type in Meg Lush, and the book will come up and you can order it in paperback or in Kindle format. Um if you're local to the Toronto area, you can definitely follow me. Uh, well, follow me anywhere at Meg LushWrights on Instagram. And I have shipped books to as far as the UK. Wow. You want a book, I will get one to you, especially if you want a signed copy and usually like a little bit of a goodie bag. Um, I'll make a nice little book box for you for gifts. So uh at Meg Lush Rights on Instagram, you can reach out to me there and I'm happy to get you a copy. If you are local to Toronto, um I do local shows. So things like Word on the Street and uh I'm in the Clarington area. If anyone knows where Clarington, Ontario is, um, and uh usually any Christmas markets and and whatnot, I will post that again on my Instagram at Meglush Rights, and you can follow me and see where I'm gonna be.

SPEAKER_00:

Perfect. Can I see the cover again? Because when I looked up, when I was doing my research, so are those crystals on the other side of that of that rose? It's broken glass. Oh, broken glass.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh there's a whole uh reason for the book cover to look the way that it does. I was lucky enough that the um person who did my book cover um actually read my book cover to cover, which I found out later through my editor is not something that she normally does, but she was so uh enthralled by the story, that thing. And I was like, um, you know, whoa. Um, and so she gave me some concept ideas, and that was the one that I I really felt uh narrowed, I narrowed down. Um, and and we worked together on that, and that was what was created. But it was read the novel, and then you look back at the cover, you'll fully understand the choice of the color, the choice of of the the broken glass, you'll understand.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Wow. Well, I looked it up and I thought, what a fantastic cover. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, really good. I thought it was really good. And I did read a few, you know, you can do the free read through um, yeah. So I did lead read a little bit about um Catalina in the in the um in your book there, or just what Amazon gives you. Well, no. Thank you. Thank you so much. I I can't wait to get this podcast out there because so many of there's so many women that need to hear your story. And I I I really believe it. And I think that you are going to, this podcast is really going to encourage uh ladies, whether it's writing or whatever their, you know, whatever their passion is that they're not allowing themselves to do and they're holding themselves back, whether it's because of family obligations or whatever that might be, uh, to maybe dip their toe in, if nothing else, and get started.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. I mean, I I can tell you, I I could have I could have edited this book until I was 80. You know, it's it's definitely never going to be perfect in my own mind.

SPEAKER_00:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

The support of my my editor was the one who pushed me. She's like, get it out. Um, the second book that I've written now, even myself, I can look at it and I can see where I've advanced in my skill of writing. And I'm very proud of that fact. But you know, you have to start somewhere. And I will mention if anyone is interested in the book, because of the one-year anniversary, it is going to be offered free on Kindle from December 1st to December 5th. Oh, I gotta write that down. December, and that's literally, I think that's literally Monday. Um, but yeah, it's free for that five days. So if you're interested for free on your Kindle, though those are the days to do it. And it's just my way of celebrating the one-year anniversary of my first debut.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I'm going to make sure that I that I um excuse me, mention that for you as well. Yeah, yeah. Well, I could keep talking to you all day, but unfortunately we can't.

SPEAKER_01:

So I do. And I honestly, I thank you so much for this opportunity. I just I absolutely am amazed at you know the amount of women who are supporting other women. I appreciate it so much. I appreciate your time. I appreciate your interest in me and my novel. And um, you know, this is the way this is the way women should be interacting with each other and supporting each other. So it really means a lot to me.

SPEAKER_00:

Um well, thank you very much. I appreciate it. So, all of you people out there who are watching, make sure you check the show notes so that you can find if you're if you're looking between December 1st and 20 and December 5th of 2025, you can grab her Kindle version for free. So you'll want to go ahead and do that, but if Want to get a paper back? We'll have links in there for you so that you can do that. And if you want to reach out to Meg for any reason at all, you'll be able to find her. All of her information is going to be there. So thanks again, Meg, for being here. I appreciate it. And thank all of you for uh for tuning in. And we'll see you next time. Beautiful. Thank you.