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Equal Pay, Equal Value: Creating the Workplace Women Deserve
What happens when a talented engineer reaches her breaking point with workplace inequality? She builds something better.
Monica Hernandez, founder of Infinity Growth, takes us through her remarkable journey from Colombian immigrant to successful entrepreneur and advocate for women in STEM fields. The turning point in her 17-year corporate engineering career came when she was instructed to pay an equally qualified female candidate less than a male counterpart simply because "she only asked for 80." That day, Monica decided if there was no workplace offering equal pay and opportunity, she would create one herself.
Our conversation explores the psychological conditioning that leads women to consistently ask for less than they deserve. Monica shares how mentors throughout her career encouraged her to "fit in" and "blend" rather than embrace her authentic self. This pattern extends across cultures, particularly in Latin American communities where women traditionally put themselves last. As Monica wisely observes, children don't learn from how they're treated, but from watching how their parents treat themselves.
The discussion ventures into eye-opening territory about male-dominated workplaces that overlook basic accommodations for women—like bathroom waste baskets for sanitary products in offshore facilities. These seemingly small oversights communicate powerful messages about who truly belongs in these professional environments and who remains an afterthought.
Monica offers profound wisdom through her favorite quotes, including "Life is beautiful and life is hard, and one doesn't cancel the other." She shares details about the upcoming WeDo (Women's Entrepreneurial Day) Summit in Vancouver on November 18th, and introduces us to her 12-year-old son Lucas's remarkable book "The Light Within," which offers simple yet powerful guidance for navigating stress and challenging emotions.
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Julie Fairhurst – Speaker, Author, and Founder of Women Like Me
Julie Fairhurst is a champion for women’s empowerment and the founder of the Women Like Me Book Program. Since 2019, she has published 30 books and 300+ true-life stories—at no cost to the writers—giving women a platform to heal, inspire, and reclaim their power. Dedicated to breaking generational trauma one story at a time, Julie’s mission is to uplift women emotionally and financially, helping them create better lives for themselves and their families.
Well, hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of Women Like Me Stories in Business. Today I have a super, super interesting lady and we're going to dive into her story in a minute, but first I want to tell you a little bit about her. So her name is Monica Hernandez, and she is an engineer, an entrepreneur, a podcast host and an advocate for women across the STEM and entrepreneurial spaces. From facing the challenges of becoming a newcomer in a foreign land to founding Infity Growth, her journey is a testament to the power of resilience and the spirit of an endless learning growth. Despite encountering discrimination, harassment and health setbacks, her unwavering determination enabled her to break free from unpaid jobs and establish a company where everyone is valued equally. So, Monica, thank you so much for being here. Sorry, I stumbled a little bit there. I can't read my own handwriting.
Speaker 1:So, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2:Thank you for being here, julie, thank you so much for having me, and thank you to everyone that is listening to the podcast. Thank you for being here, julie, thank you so much for having me, and thank you to everyone that is listening to this episode.
Speaker 1:Perfect. So do you want to tell us anything else about yourself before we get started? Anything interesting, anything you want to share?
Speaker 2:There was a lot said, so I guess people will discover more about me when we dive into it.
Speaker 1:Okay, perfect, people will discover more about me when we dive into it. Okay, perfect, so let's start off by let me start with your origin story.
Speaker 2:So why did you decide to launch your own engineering consulting firm? So, julie, when I was in corporate I worked for I have been at that point probably 17 years in my career as engineer and I climbed up the ladder and in many cases I was the only one in the room, or the first one in the room, or the first one and only one in the room, and uh, there was a lot of things that when you're climbing the ladder you think you'll be different. So probably when I climb and I am in a managerial position, I'll be able to be equally paid or I will get, uh, these things. And it doesn't really happen that way for me, didn't? So I was tired of asking things from outside and then not getting it, and then it's just the.
Speaker 2:The little drop that really got me realizing that I could do something different was I had to. I had this position. I was hiring for a position and I had a female and a male candidate, both equally qualified, same kind of education and progression in their careers. The guy asked for I'm going to give you a number a hundred dollars. And then she asked for 80 dollars.
Speaker 2:So when I extended the offers, they told me you're going to offer 80 to her and 100 to him, and I said it's not fair, because they're going to be doing the same job, they have the same qualifications. I want to give them 100 both and the the answer was she only asked for 80. And I'm like this is not fair. So that day I realized, julie, that regardless of my intentions of doing things in the right way, there was someone above me taking decisions for me to do the wrong thing, and that day I decided to resign. And then I started preparing myself to launch Infinity Growth. And then that's where I said if there is no place that is going to give equally pay for men and women, or equally, or an environment that is going to help them thrive, I will create it. And that's why I created it.
Speaker 1:Well, good for you, and yeah, that would be very hard to watch happening, because you're right. I mean, I agree as well. If someone, if whoever can do the job, should get paid, whatever the job pays, whatever that is, regardless of what they said that they would take for that job. I don't know it. Just, yeah, it doesn't seem fair at all. Do you find that women tend to ask less than men? Absolutely? And why do you think we do that?
Speaker 2:I think, because we have always been told that doing different is kind of disruptive and you always want to play the good girl. And then it was my case, for example. I had many mentors in my earliest stages of career and they always taught me to be, to become someone that I wasn't and to fit in a mold that it wasn't meant for me. But that's how the industry treats women, in engineering at least, and that is my personal experiences. They've always told me you need to fit, you need to do this so you can blend, you need to do this so you can fit, and that paints a picture of like okay, I need to blend.
Speaker 2:And so we are always, instead of realizing how we are as a whole already, then we're trying to fit into a mold that is not ours, and then that makes us think that demanding for less is the best way of getting in. Or we don't have someone that tells us you know what? It's fine to ask for that, because that is your worth. Yes, it's fine to fight for that promotion because you totally can do it. Yeah, and the other piece of that is that in my case, for example, there was always someone that made me feel that that wasn't my place, so I had to over and over demonstrate that I want that place, that I worked for that place, that I deserve to be there. So I think that's the other component.
Speaker 1:I agree 100% what you said about that. We've been sort of taught that we have to figure out how we fit in. How we fit in, which definitely would make us ask for less money, less benefits, do the workload that's thrown on us and, of course, end up burning out before our time. Now you belong to an organization called STEM, and I had to look that up because I hadn't heard about it before. So science, technology, engineering and mathematics what is that?
Speaker 2:So STEM is the area. So, just like you described engineers, mathematicians, technology scientists, we all belong to STEM.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see, so that's your organization.
Speaker 2:It's not an organization. It's just like the work that we belong to.
Speaker 1:Like an association Not really.
Speaker 2:Not even that. No, it's like. Stem is just like, let's say, a psychologist, okay, psychology, yeah. So people in technology and science and math, they do work in STEM.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see, yeah, okay. And then I looked up another one that you belong to, which is WeDo. Yeah, now WeDo, and I heard that or I read that it's been around for 30 years or something. So I'm just shocked that, like I just when I was doing some research, I'm like I've never heard of WeDo. I know, I just thought that was so strange that I hadn't heard of it, and it's Women's Environment and Development Organization. So do you want to tell us a little bit about that?
Speaker 2:So it's Women in Entrepreneurial Day, and then what we do is we come together and put up a summit for women in entrepreneurship to be together in the same room, and then it's amazing because whatever like I say this all the time sometimes you work in things, they in and out and for you are so natural, but a lot of other people haven't heard about it. So WeDo is one example, and I started volunteering with them probably only this year. And is that going to be the first time that we have a summit in Vancouver? Oh, nice, summits in other provinces Montreal, calgary, ontario, you name it. Yeah, right, the first time we're doing it in Vancouver, and it's everyone that I speak about.
Speaker 2:It is like, oh, this is so cool, and so it's nothing more than it's a summit to celebrate women in entrepreneurship and it's in. In this case, it will be half a day, and then we're going to be in the room with panelists and other entrepreneurs and then investors and things like that. So it will be a good opportunity for networking and learning things. Nice, this year's theme is Invest in Air, which is very amazing, like with all the environment that we are living in. Yes, so, yeah, that's pretty much what it is the summit for this year and I am the leader of the Vancouver team. I have a good team with me working to put it together. So everyone that is interested in going just let me know. Yeah, perfect.
Speaker 1:Wonderful. And when is that? When is it going to be? November 18th, november 18th, okay, perfect. Well, maybe we can put that in the detail section when we're done, and so for anybody that might want to be interested in going. So why do you do what you do?
Speaker 2:it seems like you have a passion for I don't want to say the underdog, but for for discrimination, and you said even in your in your comments about that you've I think that there is a lot of value in every one of us, and I think there are people that don't recognize that, and then, for some reason, it takes some time for us to recognize it ourselves, and until we recognize how awesome we are, nobody else is going to.
Speaker 1:Why do you think we don't recognize that?
Speaker 2:Because we haven't been told. We've been told to be, you know, the good girl. The good girl, yeah, don't reply back and just do your job and be the best wife and be the awesome mom, and then what are your needs is never there on the table Right, and so we get a lot of that is in there. So I think, the more that you have a support system that tells you how good you are at things and it doesn't have to be that you don't have to lose a Nobel Prize or whatever, discover the next atom or whatever it is, but you can be just awesome in a way that is good for society, have people around you that are telling you that this is really good, then it's a ripple effect, because then you're feeling fulfilled and then you bring people with you. That. So I really believe, julie, that the more that we come out of our ways and then we bring everyone together, that's where magic happens, because then we all bring up and we go up together rather than in silos, rather than me being here and trying to push the guy that is here. If we are all going, it's easier than if we are not, and it's a passion of mine.
Speaker 2:Why? Because I've been there. I was there in the rooms. I was there like I was pregnant and I was the only female in my team so I couldn't turn around to someone and say, hey, is this normal that I want you to sleep every time? Is this normal that I want to throw up at 3 in the 3 pm? You're like yeah, you have no idea. They're like guys right, so they don't get pregnant and just go, whatever. So, for whatever reason, I was in many situations where I didn't have anyone to turn back at and ask.
Speaker 1:I guess in a male-dominated industry that would make it very hard Right.
Speaker 2:It's certainly it's different than I guess working with other, like a more mixed geographic than not, or like going up and I had this conversation this morning going up into offshore facilities. Well, the first time that I went, no bathroom for women, so it's like my new ways of going to bathrooms. But then after I went and there were no baskets in the, so no, in the bathroom there were no baskets. And then so when I brought it up, it's like why did you need baskets for? And it's like, okay, every month we need to put sanitary products. Yes, yes. So if there are no baskets and I don't want to flush it through the toilet because, yes, going to flood, then I need to take it, wrap it up and go find a washroom somewhere or a basket or a yes, and it's not that they're bad, or they want us to be discriminated. They don't use tampons, right, right, yeah, and so they're bad or they want us to be discriminated.
Speaker 1:They don't use tampons, right, right, yeah. And so they're not thinking, okay, we're going to bring. We now have females in our industry and in our workplaces. What is different about that? And of course, I can see them just carrying on just their merry merry way, not even considering the effects that that would have on females coming into the workplace.
Speaker 2:And it's not that they again, it's not that they purposely did it, and they all have wives and moms and sisters, so they all know about menstruation. It's just it never occurred to them that, what happens to that yes, exactly yes, yes, which which is understandable, for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it does make it difficult when you're in that environment as a female.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely so, then you'll have to. It's. It's becoming like we are more vocal about it and we are more. It's thank you to the previous generation. Oh, my God, that had to do so many things for us, and I hope that the next generation will have it even easier because of the work that we have done.
Speaker 1:That's a whole point work that we have done, and that's a whole point. I find that we are, and I completely agree about the past generation, and they did what they could for us. I do feel, though, that we have become our generation has become a lot more aware over the last 10-15 and, and I think, we've also become more to value ourselves, and I can see it now in. I have a 26 year old daughter, 23 year old daughter. I see it in them, I see the that they value themselves, and I see it more and more, and it really it excites me, because we, each generation, should be building for the next generation, and I think that I see that happening in the whole entire world, but certainly, from what I'm seeing, we're doing some good.
Speaker 2:I think so too. I completely agree, and I think that I read a quote the other day and it was something like we are the generation that is healing while preparing the next generation. So we are kind of in the middle of the process of, like you said, how can we make it better and then leave it better for them. So it's like you've interviewed my son, lucas, and how is that we can really break patterns and make things better as a mom? Yes, it really excites me. It's like, oh my God, what is going to be the next of his kids? If I did this, with everything, the baggage and all that, like, how can this be for the next? Like I love it.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, yes, absolutely. And I think that that and you had said something earlier which I think is really important that we put ourselves first, and so many people think that that's being selfish. Well, what do you mean? I've got kids, I've got this, I've got that. But if we don't put ourselves first for ourselves, then we're no good to anyone else. We're going to die young, we burn out, we might be bitter, all of those kinds of things, and we teach people how to treat us, to treat us, and so I think that it's just so important that we're able to show that, that that we value ourselves, and we value our lives and our needs and our wants, as well as still caring and loving the people that are and that are around us. But everybody's important. I remember my mom. She never had new clothes, she, you know she and my grandmother as well. I remember they were I'm not sure of the word I'm trying to look for but they certainly didn't put themselves first.
Speaker 2:And it happens, like in our culture from Latin America, the mom is the last one to eat, is the last one to get the gift. If ever gets a gift, is the last one to you know they get. They don't go to the salon, they just buy the dying thing in the pharmacy. So it's and one thing that I, every time that I'm doing a keynote speech and I'm speaking with a group of women, one of the biggest things that I have said, and a lot of people don't realize it, is like how do you like your kid to be treated Like you treated them? And everyone is like, of course, uh, they are not going to treat themselves like you treated them, they're gonna treat themselves like you treated yourself yes, oh my goodness yes yes, and it is when you realize that it's like and then you just said it, my mom didn't have clothes, mine either.
Speaker 2:Like I remember, like putting I don't know my money aside to give her a gift at Christmas, and it's always I don't know the most simpler things like underwear or new bras, which is like hell, why you should be able to be okay with the state that you are at and then, if you need a mental break for whatever reason, just be able to voice it, and then people respect that and then that way you come back to be your best version.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, and if you're your best version, then not only will you be able to teach that, but it exudes from you, and so it definitely goes down the line. It definitely helps other people. What about? You mentioned the Latino ladies because, of course, you came from Colombia. Is that correct, correct? Yes, so how is it there with? And you've read one of our books so you have a bit of an idea of what it is that the women like me is up to. What is it like for the Latino ladies? Do they live in? You know, is it? Do they live in? A lot of silence. We tend to have things happen to us, zip it maybe, never talk about it, push it down, don't deal with it. Is that the same in that culture as well?
Speaker 2:Absolutely. It is, yeah, absolutely. And then I will say some in some regions more than others, but definitely there is taboo things that we don't speak about, even today, which is interesting, like how not open are we to just say, man, I just screwed up. Yes, have you gone through the same thing? Like what did you do? Just to reach out to have someone giving you, uh, their experience?
Speaker 2:It's not that it will go through life going by what other people have gone through, but it's just to have another point of reference and then seeing things from a different perspective and maybe the problem is not them, because it's always like other people's problem, right, but maybe something within you, like maybe you should just take your time and then take a bath or go for a walk in nature or meditate, whatever is that works for you, and then come back to it later, and then just hearing that from someone is a nice thing instead of just putting it in your head. Zip it up, because it's never going to get you there. You'll get into your body and then you'll get sick.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, you'll get into your body and then you'll get sick. Yes, yeah, it's. I always believed, and still do that, that we can only stuff so much inside. Eventually, as we age, it's going to want to come out, and if you don't deal with it, it comes out in illnesses in other ways.
Speaker 2:Absolutely out in illnesses in other ways Absolutely, and I have the podcast for a while now and I have spoken with women and men from many different countries and I have come to the realization that we are not so different that if we are struggling with something, the guys are struggling also and they don't speak about it. And then they come home and then there is tension and then many things happen rather than having a safe place to like. It's like what you're doing is so important and the first time I met you I voiced that out it's like your mission in life is so important because we have a safe space to just have a conversation and that the power in that. It's incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you for saying that. I have a new book that's going to be coming out in the next couple of weeks and one of the writers in that book she belongs to a networking group and I was actually at that networking group recently and she wasn't there and the leader of the group said to me oh, you know, I've spoke with so and so, and she said that the process of writing her story and getting all of that out she just feels so much better and she's in her 60s and she's been carrying it around since she was in her teens. And I think that sometimes we act certain ways, we get into some habits that aren't necessarily the most healthiest, and a lot of that is just trying to keep that secret stuff down there that we don't want to talk about.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. And then we become a persona that is trying so hard to keep it all together, to be, you know, the superwoman, the superwife, the supermom, the superleader, the superwhatever. And you can't, that's just. You know, that's just not happening. You can do anything, but not everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're just human beings like everybody else. Absolutely yeah. I love that. We can do lots of things, but not everything.
Speaker 2:And definitely not at the same time.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. Yeah, I think that it's some. I belong to a few networking groups and I just recently started going, about a year, year and a half ago, and what I find is exactly what you were saying is that women need a place where they can share and know that they're not going to be judged, and know that they'll be supported. And so in these groups we have a mastermind. You know, if someone has something they want to talk about and it doesn't have to be business, it can even be personal so if they're having a problem with a child or they're having a problem with a neighbor or they're having a problem with their spouse, and it's just so wonderful to see when someone gets enough courage to share that and then all of the women around them who support them and and you, you know they're not saying, oh, I throw that beep, beep, beep to the curb, like none of that kind of stuff's going on.
Speaker 2:It's supportive and um and loving and and lots of really great advice and that is just feeling yourself listened to, is it has so much power, like even if I come and say, julie, you know what I'm going through some really rough stuff, and you just sit down and listen to me, that in itself is already like super huge yes, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:and the other thing I find, too, is that is that as we get things out and we start to discuss our brains, actually it's like there's space oh look, there's space to think, because that's not there anymore. And and then we actually start to get some some healthier ideas on what we can do and and and how to care for ourselves and take care of situations that might be might be not the best for us, or to help other people in our family and our friends as well.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we need to get that. We need to get so much of that stuff out of our hands and our hearts and, yeah, and we just carry so much emotion in our bodies. And you can see it, you know, someone you don't know. I love watching people, someone you don't know, I love watching people, people you don't know, you see them and you see them walking and you can usually you can go, yeah, that person, that person, oh, that person, you can, the way they carry themselves absolutely it's energy, right.
Speaker 2:So yes, it's yeah, yeah, it's really perceivable yes, yeah, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, monica, I have a few questions that I like to ask my podcast guests and I'm wondering if you would allow me to do that, just to get to know you a little bit better of course, go for it okay okay. So if you could travel anywhere in the world tomorrow, where would you go and why would you go there?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's an interesting question. Tomorrow I'll go anywhere by a beach, so anywhere that gets me to a sandy, warm water. Yeah, and why I feel so calm when I'm by the ocean? Um, many of the, you know, safest spaces that I create for myself on meditation or whatever related to the ocean. So that'll be it. So it's not a specific place, but just anywhere that has a sandy, warm beach beautiful.
Speaker 1:You know, I've heard, and I don't know if it's true, but um, water is emotion. So if you're, if you, if you're feeling stressed out, just head down to the beach and say, here you go, beach, take it, take it, take it ocean absolutely, and we are 80 or 70 or whatever.
Speaker 2:Many percent water? Yes, so being by the water, being made of water will regulate things really easier. Yeah.
Speaker 1:What about a favorite book? Do you have a favorite book that helps you or has helped you in your life?
Speaker 2:you, uh, that helps you or has helped you in your life, julie, I think books or songs or podcasts or anything that comes your way is what you need to hear or see or at that specific moment. So I have many favorites because it's never the same. You're not the same person you have I had. I was in a panel the other day and then my partner, my co-panelist. She said we all go through different seasons in life and that was so beautiful and it's true. We go through different seasons.
Speaker 2:I am not I don't have a three-year-old and requiring my attention all the time. I have different, uh, state of as a business owner, other things that I had when I was at the corporate, uh, like it's different all the seasons that you're going through. So I have had many books I love reading. So I have many books that I love and right now I just finished reading yours. So that was amazing, really, really, really good. And you know, as simple and as cheesy as it can sound, lucas's book when I Am Stressed because it's so little, I go and read it. Although I helped him type it, I helped him proofreading. I have read it many times If I have a stressful situation or I'm feeling building up something. I open it up in any page and I read that and I get the message that I need in a very simple way yes, yes.
Speaker 1:It's a beautiful book. So if anybody doesn't know what we're talking about, her son Lucas wrote I can't remember the name the Light Within. Oh, yes, yes, remember the name the Light Within. Oh, yes, yes, and it's just, it's a beautiful, beautiful book and he's only 12. Yeah, yeah, but the insight that this young fellow has, oh boy, I'm going to make sure that his book is also in the in the detail section so people can check it out if they'd like to as well. But fabulous book. What about a favorite quote? Monica, do you have a favorite quote that you like? Oh, I have many.
Speaker 2:Don't make me do tall decisions here. I'll give you two Okay. The first one is we come to this earth to learn and that was why I came up with that one day, and the behind of that is so often we are, we take, we have to take, a decision, for example, and it's so in the weight of the decision. If we do this, if we do that, like what? If you take that away and just take the decision, then it's already gone. Like you take the weight away of right or wrong, like I'm gonna screw my life if I immigrate to Egypt. It won't.
Speaker 2:I came here 25, knowing no one, having zero. You know it's, and I'm here creating jobs for Canadians, like it's, like you will be okay. So taking the weight away of a right or wrong and just taking it as a learning has helped me a lot. So I love that as we come to this earth to learn and then to pass on the learnings, and that's why I do everything that I do. That's why I do everything that I do. The second quote that I love and that I read when I was in a very dark moment it's Kate Bowler, I think that's how you pronounce her name. She's a Canadian author. She lives in the US and in one of her books she says life is beautiful and life is hard, and one doesn't cancel the other oh my goodness, that is a good one and behind.
Speaker 2:That is like we all try to live in this. I don't know, bubble, that everything has to be good all the time and it doesn't. And even if it's, I have come to our realization that even the things that are not good or feel like pain, things that happen to us, happen for a teaching moment that is going to serve us at some point.
Speaker 1:Yes, oh, I love that one. That is fabulous. So what about dinner? If you could have any woman in history and you could sit down with her for dinner, who would that woman be?
Speaker 2:It will be. I'm going to get here. I guess it will be Anna. Anna was the grandmother of Jesus, oh, and there is a good book about her, oh.
Speaker 1:Wow, and why her? What would you hope to learn, or what insights would you hope to get, or what questions would you ask?
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I think I would love to understand how did she go through that whole journey of learning and then understanding exactly who she was and then not intervening into what it was supposed to be. The fate of someone is like having that complete, clear understanding that this is what I meant to be. Wow, yeah, wow, beautiful wow, yeah, wow, beautiful.
Speaker 1:And my last question is if you could whisper something in the ear of every woman out there who's struggling right now, what would you whisper? Believe in yourself. Oh, I got shivers on that one absolutely so important believe in yourself. Oh, I got shivers on that one Absolutely so important Believe in yourself.
Speaker 2:Because there is a lot of people that want. But if you do, it doesn't matter what other people think. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's beautiful, wow. Well, monica, I have just really enjoyed our conversation and you're so insightful. Just really enjoyed our conversation and you're so insightful and I appreciate your sharing your wisdom with us and being here. I appreciate it so much so everyone. Just to let you know, I will have all of Monica's details in the show details section as well, as we're going to make sure her son Lucas's book is there Spectacular, spectacular book. I've read it twice myself. It's great, so we'll have all of that there. So so, monica, in closing, is there anything that you would like to share?
Speaker 2:No other than my gratitude for, for you, for the work that you do, for you know, I know very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very very well, thank you so much.
Speaker 1:I appreciate you being here. Well, everyone, we're done for this episode, so we will see you again on the next episode of Women Like Me, take care.