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TINA BIEBER - Sex shouldn't be taboo—it's essential for women's wellbeing.

• Julie Fairhurst • Episode 129

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Sexual health is a conversation too often shrouded in discomfort, shame, and silence. Yet, as this candid discussion reveals, it's a critical component of women's overall wellbeing that deserves honest, open dialogue.

Tina Bieber shares her powerful journey from experiencing a complete loss of libido during perimenopause to becoming a passionate advocate for women's sexual wellness. Her transformation led her to create Tina's Treasures, a safe space where women can explore intimate wellness tools and education without judgment. Through her experiences as both a sexual health consultant and menopause coach, Tina illuminates how closely these aspects of women's health intertwine.

The conversation delves into why sexual health remains taboo, examining how cultural conditioning and generational silence have created barriers to essential discussions about pleasure, body autonomy, and intimate wellness. Tina explains how menopause affects women's sexuality through hormonal changes and offers practical solutions for maintaining sexual wellbeing during this transition, including the importance of maintaining pelvic floor health through regular climaxing and using pH-balanced products.

Perhaps most valuable is Tina's insight into the communication gap between partners. "Women need to feel loved to have sex, while men feel loved when they have sex." This fundamental difference often creates misunderstanding and distance in relationships. Through education, quality intimate products, and the confidence to express needs, women can transform both their relationship with their own bodies and with their partners.

Whether you're navigating menopause, feeling disconnected from your sensuality, or simply curious about enhancing your intimate wellness, this episode offers compassionate guidance and practical wisdom. As Tina wisely shares, "With the right tools, you can make a difference for yourself." Visit tinastreasuresca to connect with Tina or explore her products in privacy and confidence.


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Speaker 1:

Well, hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of Women Like Me Stories in Business. I'm your host, julie Fairhurst, and today, oh well, I have to tell you that I do know this lady personally and you are going to love her. But I also have to say that I really had to nail her down for this interview, that I really had to nail her down for this interview. She's just, she's a busy lady and she's wanted everywhere. So we finally got her. We've got her here for a good half an hour, 45 minutes, and we'll see what wonderful things she's going to be able to share with us. So I'm going to start by giving you a little bit of information about Tina. Oh Tina, I hope I get your name right. It's Berber, bieber, bieber, oh Bieber, thank you, okay.

Speaker 1:

Here we go, okay, so today we're going to be talking about a conversation that often gets locked behind shame, silence and discomfort, and that's women's sexual health. So our guest, tina Berber, is compassionate and courageous. She's the voice behind Tina's Treasures. Now, tina's mission is to help women embrace their sensuality, navigate the complexities of sexual well-being and reclaim their power, especially during transformative stages like perimenopause and menopause. So Tina has created a safe place for women to get educated, to talk about intimacy tools and to open and have open-hearted guidance about sexual wellness and understanding that it's not a luxury, it's essential. So, tina, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2:

Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1:

Tina, do you want to tell our audience a little bit more about yourself?

Speaker 2:

Sure. So I am pretty much a low key person and a little bit of an introvert. I spend a lot of time on my own, actually. But the wellness side of things are very, very important, and I went through a journey with my menopause which was quite difficult, and I it took a number of years to figure out exactly what I need to do to stay healthy and I want to age healthy, and so it's very important to me to put myself in check, be honest about how I'm feeling and seek out natural health ways so that I age gracefully. I went through a stage with a previous partner where I had absolutely no libido at all whatsoever, which really took a toll on our relationship and it took a toll on my own confidence. It took a toll on how I carried myself.

Speaker 2:

I find sexual health for women is, can be, quite an emotional thing, which then that vibe goes through our whole being. And back in the day I went to a pure romance party and at that party I was so intrigued at what was possible for me as a consultant myself, and that journey changed my life literally. So that's where I started with this learning about women's sexual health, learning about women's sexual health. I then also studied to be a menopause coach, which I found is part and parcel with women's sexual health as well, because many of us lose our libidos. We have issues with vaginal dryness, we have issues with not being able to climax. Not being able to climax, which again hits that confidence that you know everything, that whole aura about us.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and definitely not great for relationships.

Speaker 2:

No, no, yeah, I've had clients tell me that, due to certain things that they've experienced, clients tell me that, due to certain things that they've experienced, their partner is now starting to kind of heckle them in certain ways you know, like just that, rubbing them the wrong way.

Speaker 2:

And you know they're starting to feel it and so they're not feeling great about the relationship. And it put that strife in Well. That affects the children, that affects the grand, like it all go, you know, plays down the line of how people feel about themselves and each other yeah, well, let me ask you why do you think sexual health is such a taboo topic for women?

Speaker 2:

that's a tough one and I actually I struggle with that even to this day, because, because, with my little business, in order for me to make a difference for me, I like to be in a group of women, empowering them and talking about that topic, and I find, when I have the opportunity to do that, then it happens, then it happens. There's something there about the word sex, where people just don't open up. I don't know if that's grandfathered from before, where sex was taboo in the olden days. You don't talk about it, right, you know? Um, a lot of families. It's just not a topic that there's comfort, um, there isn't even comfort with a lot of parents talking about certain body parts with their children what do they call it?

Speaker 1:

oh my goodness, you're so right instead of calling it a penis, we're calling it a wee wee, you know um, so just and it just kind of is the thing.

Speaker 2:

And then then when things are said, for instance, and this is a little off topic when you go into school and you're maybe volunteering with the kids and stuff, and somebody does say something with the body part, ooh, the reaction I mean it's just yeah, yes, yeah, it's a tough thing to break barriers, yeah, and to make people comfortable. Yeah, yes, yeah, it's a tough thing to break barriers, yeah, and to make people comfortable.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean I I've done a lot of traveling, but I haven't done a lot of traveling talking about sex. So, my, my. But my thought process is and I could be wrong that some of those European countries are a little more open, but we over here in North America, for whatever reason, we're quite tight about those conversations and.

Speaker 1:

I remember years ago I was 28 years old and I wanted to mention this. I was thinking about it when I was getting ready for the podcast and I was 28 years old and I was working in a government office almost all women and this woman I remember she was like she started talking about how her husband didn't care about her sexual well-being and so he would do his thing, and then she would go into the bathroom and finish doing her thing.

Speaker 1:

And I remember being thinking, oh my goodness, I can't believe she's talking to me about this. I'm sure I was a deer in the headlights Like why are you even having this conversation with me? And so now, as you know, I'm much more of an adult now and I'm a little more worldly. But now I think back and I go well, why wouldn't she have that conversation?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, very much so, and that is a common thing too, you know, yeah, keeping things under wraps or private. Under wraps or private, and even a lot of couples and this is something that I love to make a difference in a person's life is empowering couples to be able to be communicating with them, with pardon me with each other, and having that confidence to go hey, honey, this is what feels good for me you know having the confidence to go.

Speaker 2:

hey, not even knowing if maybe that partner would enjoy something like that, but there's just such a stigma against it that it holds people back for some reason. You know, there's a little statistic that is said those that explore BDSM. There is a higher rate of successful relationships if they are doing that sort of play than hetero or normal sex relations. Yes, oh, Because they communicate. They have smooth words. They tell each other what they like or don't like. Yeah, they know what the boundaries are. Yeah, that's all communication.

Speaker 1:

You know you're so right, you're so absolutely right.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, that's all you know. Communication within a couple about something that's very important to keep that spark alive.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely yeah. Well, what do you think happens then? So why does normal changes to menopause impact women's sexuality and the emotional condition to her body? What? What do you think is happening there that's causing?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean the depletion of our estrogen progester, many health issues, to lowering libido, to again creating some depression for us which affects how we feel about ourselves, which will stop us from going and getting that negligee and making ourselves. You know, standing in front of the door when the hubby comes home hey, baby, here I am it just changes our whole aura of how we feel, especially when you're not feeling your best. And so I mean hormones is a huge topic all in itself, but with the depletion of our estrogen progesterone, that makes a big difference. It makes a big difference in the libido, how we feel, and then our woohoo down there. Yes, there you go. That pelvic floor muscle really is the foundation of our whole body, and so it's very important to keep that healthy. And if that's not healthy either and strong, who wants to have?

Speaker 1:

sex. Right, gotcha, gotcha. What do you think that? What do you think some of the myths are misconceptions are about, about women and aging and libido and that kind of thing.

Speaker 2:

Back in the day they said that once a woman cannot but no longer bear children, they should be discarded. Yeah, there's like 1930, 40 something. Men's view of women just changed, yes, and so they're not there to bear children for us anymore. What good are they? There was the witching hour of oh, you know, they're now a lot there that again emotionally in people's heads, or what they have in their head as to you know what our worth is.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

I mean, that's old school.

Speaker 1:

No, it's old school.

Speaker 2:

It is absolutely old school we still have some religions in society that are old school yes.

Speaker 1:

Well, and I think also, Tina, that we as women have some of not some of those types of thoughts from the past, but we still are worried. We think, oh, I'm too old now. Worried. We think, oh, I'm too old now. Now my husband's going to. You know, go and get somebody younger. Or I can't do this, or I've lost this, or you know that weight around the belly has come and we start to like I don't know exactly how to explain it, but I guess our confidence goes in the toilet, 100%.

Speaker 2:

Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, 100% yeah, yeah, and, when, and, and, and it shouldn't, because in my opinion it's a whole new beautiful stage of life for us, 100%, and it should be.

Speaker 2:

It should be this beautiful future that we look to, and it is. It's a wonderful phase. Um, it's a wonderful if there's, frankly, no more periods, woohoo. Like what do we have to put up with, you know, every single month? Yes, and sometimes I mean that's not pretty for a lot of women. No, they experience a lot of pain. Yes, they have cramping and leakage in our beds. Yes, so that's a celebration in itself. As far as I'm concerned, and with a holistic lifestyle, the aging of menopause and beyond I find it very exciting.

Speaker 2:

But we have to take care of ourselves. Yes, we have to take care of ourselves yes be aware of what we're putting into our body, yes, how we're treating it and ensuring that. You know and this goes to the the fact of women need a lot of protein and fiber every day.

Speaker 1:

You know, taking care to ensure that this phase is as wonderful as it definitely can be, yeah, you know years, and I don't remember how many years ago, but years ago I remember reading this article that I thought was really beautiful, and it was about a family and their daughter started her her.

Speaker 1:

she started to menstruate and the mother and father brought her flowers and told her how beautiful it was that she was entering into this new and and just made it sound like it was like a rite of passage. Really, why can't we start taking flowers to women who have you know? Okay, if you haven't had your period for a year, let me know, Cause I'm sending you flowers. We need to start celebrating ourselves.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely yeah.

Speaker 1:

So what do you think there's some practical ways that we can start to rekindle our relationships around sex, Because it's it's an important part of our lives.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, definitely, um, frankly, um that one pure romance party that I went to, the sex tools I will call it.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Sex toys that enhance relationships and that can help your partner and it's not just us women that go through issues. Men do as well with erectile dysfunction and maybe they can't have an erection or keep an erection as long. There are tools there that can assist with enhancing those practices, if we want to call it that, and there's also enhancements there where we have creams and gels that we can put on, for instance, our clitoris, to get that feeling back, to get that arousal feeling, to feel the plumping and the throbbing that that helps with climax for either the man or the woman. So there's tools there that can kick it up a notch and make it fun Planning sexy nights, you know, getting people or getting each other in the mood, and even if not, if you're single, for yourself Right, there's ways of communicating to put that spark back into a relationship or just even just for yourself or just even just for yourself.

Speaker 1:

I remember you saying it when I heard you speak in public and I remember you saying if you don't use it, you lose it.

Speaker 2:

That's right, definitely, and that's for many women, once they don't have a libido, what do you? It's gone, and if it's not top of mind in the health of practice, then what do you need it for right? Climaxing is very important for women's health. Yeah, confidence um climaxing is important, for it's like um doing kegels. There's that contraction of the muscles which keeps one healthy um and keeps the confidence up.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yes, for sure. So well, you know. So, when I'm going to just talk about those creams and stuff. So what do you? Because I think that a lot of the stuff that they go out and they buy in the stores necessarily aren't natural products.

Speaker 2:

Natural, or perhaps I'd like to say pH balanced. Oh yes, a ph balanced. Oh yes, you want to make sure that if we are putting something around our clitoris or in the vagina for a g-spot, um, um, climax that, um, there aren't any sugars in the product. So it's important to know what you are buying, because with sugars, we're susceptible to yeast infections and ETIs and bladder infections and all those sorts of things. So it's important to know what the product is that you're using and what the ingredients are, to ensure that you're not going to have side effects. Right, right, you're not going to have side effects, right.

Speaker 1:

Right, and so what would be the? So what kind of products, like, are you offering to people?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I do have a gel and a cream, as well as a cream that goes inside the vagina for the G-spot stimulation, and what it does is it just takes all the blood and it rushes it to that area and you get that plumping, warming or cooling sensation, depending what you prefer. Everybody is a little bit different and it just gives you that, sends signals to your brain that there's an arousal feeling there.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, to your brain that there's an arousal feeling there. Yeah, yeah, so how do so? I know we're going to have all of the details for Tina in the YouTube video as well as in the podcast, so if anybody wants to reach out to her, they can certainly go ahead and do that. But I'm just curious. So, so if somebody reaches out to you and they want to get some product, like, how would that work? Do you do a consultation or do they just order off of your website and you mail it to them? How does that work? Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2:

So, tinastreasuresca, I have a website with a bunch of the products that are listed there. I'm happy to do a one-on-one consultation. They're welcome to come here.

Speaker 2:

I have a little office where I have things on display or I can do a party, an event at their home with their friends where they have appies and a glass of wine, and I do bring my toolkit with me and do a presentation and they can touch and feel the products before they they purchase them. Um, I'm also open to sourcing. I have a local supplier who's in Burnaby and they have over 4,000 products that I can select from. Wow, yeah, they've got, they've got a a great, it's a great distributor. Um, so everything's local. Um, I can get things within three days tops. Um, they're pretty much overnight shipping. Yeah, if you order right off my website, you can get it within a day or so and so what happens if they're on, say, they're uh in alberta're, in Alberta or Vancouver Island?

Speaker 2:

Can they still purchase off your website? It was pretty exciting my very first client. No idea who she was ordered from Saskatchewan. Isn't that something they ship all over? Oh beautiful, we have a drop ship app and she received the product within three days.

Speaker 1:

Wow, that's great to know great to know. So if somebody wants to be a little more discreet, um, they're not comfortable maybe speaking speaking or having a one-on-one with you. They can still go to your website and and um and order the product and have them delivered definitely yeah rather than standing in that, in that aisle, in the grocery store well, yeah, exactly yeah.

Speaker 2:

You don't have to leave your home at all, whatsoever yeah, and I can come to you if you wanted to sit down and have a conversation yes um, we could go for a coffee, we could zoom, I guess you can zoom with someone if someone needed to if they're not not local.

Speaker 1:

no, that's fabulous, because I think that, that, um, I think that's part of if they're not not local no, that's fabulous, because I think that, that, um, I think that's part of it. If we're, if we're walking around and we don't want to talk about it and we're feeling shameful, or or you know, however, we're feeling, and then you know, like, where do you buy those products from?

Speaker 1:

You know, maybe you're not comfortable going into the sexy store, but or even the grocery store. You know where everybody's out shopping and walking past you. That's a nice. Your website's a nice private option.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and you know it's the products that I select. The products that I select, I I'm very careful at what I pick. They're high quality, very, um, reliable items, um and um, yeah, rather than going into a store and I've been to stores myself yeah, um, not that I'm going to knock it at all.

Speaker 1:

Of course not.

Speaker 2:

It is an option and it could be a fun thing to do with a partner on a date night. Yes, um, definitely, yeah, um, but just having that one-on-one conversation without anybody around, it's within the strictest confidence with me. Yes and um, everybody has their own journey and everybody's journey is different. Absolutely, I'm there to support and ensure that there's a feel good within your heart when you're making a decision, because I think, that's very important yeah.

Speaker 1:

You know, I heard something years ago and I believe it, and what it was is women need to feel loved, definitely To have sex. Yeah, men feel love when they have sex. So if we're not having sex with our partners and our partners aren't making us, helping us, to feel loved, we've got a real problem.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, you know one of my clients, she, her husband and high school sweethearts. They got married right at 19, 20 years old. They had three kids. Um, she bought her first little bullet vibrator from me back in the day and she said to me I have to tell you, tina, I don't think I've ever really actually had an orgasm. A lot of women she was a little bit older didn't realize that you, most women, can't climax from the missionary position. Yes, you know, most women are clitoral climax from clitoral stimulation alone and have never had a vaginal orgasm. Make a difference in her life is so empowering for me and changed her relationship as she's aging with her husband, who you know that was she was in her sixties then. I mean that's so empowering to be able to know that that that woman now is going home, you know, and they've got another spark happening. Absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, for sure, tina, and I think that's the key, right, it's like. It's like if we're feeling like, okay, you know, the spark is not there, we're feeling some distance in our relationship, what are we going to do? Just one one like a one conversation is like you know when's the last time you brought me flowers? Not not in a blame way, but just understanding, like we get into those ruts and for, and I think that if women understand how they need to be to have sex with their husbands and to understand that their husbands need to feel a certain way as well, but yeah, but we as women just assume they know, yeah, you know. And so everybody's walking around thinking, oh well, he, you know, he knows, you know, I'm sure he knows. He probably doesn't know, he doesn't know.

Speaker 1:

He doesn't know. Help a guy out.

Speaker 2:

No, and have that confidence to show him, hey, this is what feels good for me. Yes, he may think it's something completely entirely different.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, yes, absolutely. My husband has quite longevity for his family and his. I remember going over to see his grandparents and his grandmother and grandmother, or grandmother and grandfather, had gone into a retirement community and and so they each have their own bedrooms. And so she said I don't even remember what we were talking about. She's like 94. I think he's 96. And she said you know, at night he comes and he cuddles with me, lays down with me and he gets a kiss, but that's all he's getting.

Speaker 2:

Well, and that's the thing, A lot of couples because one snores or the other doings their piece, they're sleeping in separate bedrooms, and I think rest is very important for us. Yes, oh for sure. You know, along with menopause, a lot of women don't sleep. They're up every morning at 3am.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes and so I can't say that I disagree with separate beds. Yeah, but you've got to make that time. Yes, that time to connect, yes, to be one with each other, yeah for sure, and just to keep that. And you know, just like any relationship, it's a little bit of work, it's a little bit of planning. Yes, being spontaneous can also be fun. And adding a little toy. We've got the panty vibrators, where you can be wearing a panty vibrator with a remote control, go out to a lounge or dinner and your partner can start it up. How exciting would that be.

Speaker 1:

Oh, that reminds me that would bring me back to that movie I can't remember what it's called where she was showing what it was like to have an orgasm, and she was in a restaurant.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I mean, there's so much there. Yeah, there's so much there. That can just enhance a relationship, but I still want to say even a relationship with yourself is important. I've been single for a very long time, and so it's just very important to stay connected with yourself.

Speaker 1:

Yes, and your body and you're all around being.

Speaker 1:

As far as yeah yourself is concerned, yes, Well, tina, I have just I thank you for coming on Because I just, oh no, I have just I thank you for coming on because I just, oh no, you're welcome Because you know, I think what you're doing is so important because it affects marriages, it affects us on our own, like there's so many. Sometimes people don't get the seriousness of sexual health, and so I just I really thank you for that. Now, before we go, I have I have six questions that I like to ask my. Now, they're easy. I'd like to ask my guest to get to know you so people can know you a little bit better. So can we run through these before we close? Okay, all right, okay, here, here we go. So if you could travel, tina, anywhere in the world tomorrow, where are you going to go and why are you going to go there?

Speaker 2:

you know what show I'm watching right now on crave is the white lotus it's in sicily. Sicily and I've always been. My travels take me mostly to the Caribbean. I crave the Caribbean, that water, the beaches, but this show is very intriguing for me. Sicily just looks very cool, it looks very romantic and the water I had. No, yeah, I think I would right now jump on the plane. I'd head to Sicily. Oh beautiful, I would love to go there, okay.

Speaker 1:

What is your favorite way to unwind? And I know you're a very busy lady, so what is your favorite way to unwind after you have a busy day?

Speaker 2:

You know what, honestly, I like to hit the couch under cats. I have two cats and I just like to grab my peppermint tea with honey with my cats and just exist and be.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Sometimes we just need to let our mind go blank. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, reset.

Speaker 1:

What about an emotional, I'm sorry. What about a favorite motivational quote? Do you have one that you use daily or do you have one that's a favorite?

Speaker 2:

You know, I can't necessarily say that Okay, so it's not from necessarily a famous person, okay, but somebody said to me one day it is that way, because you make it that way, ah love it oh my goodness, that is such a good one and that's a good one really stuck with me, and so when I get down in the dumps or something's not going right or something's not going, I kind of put it in check and go why is that? It is that way because I'm making it that way, and so let's change that, that focus beautiful.

Speaker 1:

I love that one. That's that's. I have had a lot of guests on and I asked that question, but the you this one's in the top 10. For me that was a good one. Yeah, okay, what about your favorite book? I don't know if you do much reading.

Speaker 2:

I don't read. No, okay, julie, the Julie Fairhurst story, that poster that is sitting behind you. You know, literally, julie, I don't read. But since meeting you I've read three of your books. Oh because, because they're easy reading. I have this issue with retaining things when I'm reading, and so books for me I find hard. Yeah, um, and not that all your stories are light, because people have had some really tough journeys yes, but your books are the ones that I've read recently.

Speaker 2:

Oh well, thank you, tina, thank you for saying that, and that wasn't scripted no, it wasn't scripted.

Speaker 1:

No, it wasn't. No, I appreciate knowing that's true. Okay, now let's talk about food, dinner. So if you could have dinner with any woman in history, who would you want to have dinner with, and why?

Speaker 2:

Wow, that's a tough question for me. You know what I think Mother Teresa comes to mind.

Speaker 1:

Oh, wouldn't that be a conversation?

Speaker 2:

I think that woman's wisdom would have been quite an experience to sit down and discuss life with.

Speaker 1:

Yes yes, absolutely, that would be a conversation. Yes, for sure. So our last question if you could whisper one truth into the ear of every woman who's struggling right now, what would you say to them?

Speaker 2:

with the right tools, you can make a difference for yourself ah, yes, love it.

Speaker 1:

Love it well. Thank you, tina. Thank you so much for doing this. It has been a pleasure talking to you and I know that that you're going to help others, absolutely so for you listening or watching this on YouTube, I just want to let you know that Tina's information is going to be in the details section and, ladies, if you're nervous about going into a store, if you're nervous about standing in that grocery store looking at certain products that you're wondering about, you can do it at home. You can go on Tina's website and you can look there and you can buy discreetly. So don't be shy. And also, she's willing to have a conversation with you or, if you're local, she's happy to come out and educate and, um, educate and have some friends with your, with your friends and family members as well.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, thank you so much, thank you tina.

Speaker 1:

So thank you so much and um and ladies, we will see you on another episode of women like me next time. Bye-bye, bye.

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