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The Chill CEO: How Ehmandah Ramsey Turned Rest into a Movement for High-Achieving Women
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Ehmandah's journey from burnout to breakthrough began when she found herself overwhelmed—running businesses, serving on multiple boards, living in a transitional home for women and children, and being a single mom. Rather than pushing through, she made a radical decision: prioritize rest and reclaim her passion. The weight that lifted from her shoulders became the foundation for her Hustle and Flow Method, designed specifically for high-achieving women who want success without the sacrifice.
"We power down our phones and computers so they can be charged and ready to go when we need them," Ehmandah explains. "It's the same with us." This simple truth forms the cornerstone of her philosophy that rest isn't weakness—it's strategic leadership. Through powerful metaphors like finding your natural river flow instead of forcing yourself against the current, Ehmandah offers practical wisdom for creating what she calls a "dream life blueprint."
Beyond her coaching, Ehmandah shares how founding She Stories—a nonprofit creating safe spaces where women can share their experiences with trained therapists present—has helped break cycles of shame and generational trauma. Her vulnerability about her own experience as a domestic violence survivor demonstrates how storytelling becomes healing, not just for the teller but for everyone who hears it.
Whether you're feeling overwhelmed by your current pace, questioning if balance is truly possible, or simply curious about a different approach to leadership, this conversation offers both gentle permission and practical steps to honor your wellbeing without sacrificing your ambition. As Ehmandah reminds us: "Believe in the power that you have. It hasn't gone away."
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Julie Fairhurst – Speaker, Author, and Founder of Women Like Me
Julie Fairhurst is a champion for women’s empowerment and the founder of the Women Like Me Book Program. Since 2019, she has published 30 books and 300+ true-life stories—at no cost to the writers—giving women a platform to heal, inspire, and reclaim their power. Dedicated to breaking generational trauma one story at a time, Julie’s mission is to uplift women emotionally and financially, helping them create better lives for themselves and their families.
Well, hello everyone. Thank you so much for being here for another episode of Women Like Me, stories and Business. Today, I've got a super interesting lady and I can't wait to dive into the conversation with her. So here's a little bit about what I found when I was snooping around out there for her. So she flips the script on hustle culture and invites us to into a more powerful paradigm rest. So this is really important. We're going to talk about this today rest as a radical act of leadership.
Speaker 1:Joining us for this is the extraordinary Amanda Ramsey, also known as the Chill CEO. She's not just teaching ambitious women about how to stop burnout, she's leading a movement where rest becomes the fuel, not the finish line. As the creator of the Hustle and Flow Method, amanda helps high achieving women learn how to unlearn toxic proctivity so I wonder what that's about? And lead with intention, balance and ease and this is super exciting as well. She's also the founder of Shit Stories, a nonprofit that's all about healing, connection and transforming through storytelling. I am so excited, amanda, to have you here. Oh, my goodness. So thank you so much for coming and doing this with us.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm excited. Thank you for having me, Julie. I look forward to the conversation.
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, I have a burning starter question, so let me just start with that. What made you say enough with the hustle?
Speaker 2:My own personal journey. I have always been a mover and a shaker, you know, for years, and I owned a coworking space and I was serving on several boards. And then, after the pandemic, I began to work and live inside of a transitional home for women and children, because that's always been my dream is to launch one. Because I'm a single mom, I wanted to help single moms too. So while I'm living in this home and while I'm serving on several, I wanted to help single moms too. So while I'm living in this home and while I'm serving on several boards, running another business, just really connecting people, I started to become very overwhelmed.
Speaker 2:And a lot of times, as women, we are such nurturers, right, we're such givers, and we tend to overlook how we feel so we can take care of other people. And I noticed that I began to start feeling dispassionate about my heart for women, because I was overwhelmed, because I was dealing with some burnout, dealing with a lot of stress and just doing a lot and it was just becoming too much for me. So I had this come to Jesus moment on the edge of my bed and I'm like I just can't do this anymore. I'm becoming very dispassionate about the very thing that I love, that I know that I'm called to do. I need to make some changes in my life, and when I did that, let me tell you, julie, I felt like a weight was lifted from me and that I had the freedom now to really choose what I want to do still be productive, but not in the sense of burning myself out to have a flow with everything that I do.
Speaker 1:That is so many of us, so many of us and I and get to that point where we either realize it or the universe says get issues, some health concerns, and that's our notifications that our body is like okay, girl, you need to stop. Yeah absolutely. Yes, absolutely. Or it's just going to get worse yes, yeah, and then we're really big trouble. So let me ask you your title, the Chill CEO. What does that mean to you personally?
Speaker 2:That's an oxymoron right.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be a CEO and chill at the same time. Yeah, for me it really means it's a woman or a person that is control, in control of their life. But using rest, being intentional about taking care of their self, prioritizing their well-being that's what it means to me. So I'm going to be chill, I'm going to make sure that I take care of my well-being, but I'm also still going to be the boss. I'm going to be the boss, so we have to find that balance, that harmony of intentional rest or just taking care of yourself and your well-being and still being in charge of your life.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, and it's sometimes difficult, oh my gosh. Yes, yeah. So what do you say to women that are in the same boat that you were in at one time?
Speaker 2:Wow. Well, when I notice it, even in some of my friends and my colleagues, you know, I have a conversation with them and saying you know, I know I see these signs in you that I've seen in myself, and then maybe you should consider, you know, doing life different, doing business differently, so that you'll be able to work with intention but still be able to prioritize your wellbeing. It's important because if you don't, you will not sustain in business and in your life. And that's when they're like yeah, I agree, I do need to make some changes. And it just resonates with so many people, specifically women that I talk to, because I think that we don't recognize it until you know it comes up. We push it down, down, down, down, down until it actually starts coming up again.
Speaker 1:That is so true. I believe that and part of that's my story with the women that I work with is that we do if we don't, we're meant to deal with things we're meant to release, and if we keep stuffing everything down, eventually it gets full in there and it's going to come barreling out somehow, and normally it's not in a productive way.
Speaker 2:Yes, we have to power down. We power down our phones, our computers, our laptops so that they can be charged and be ready to go when we need to use them. It's the same thing with us. We need to unplug, we need to power down so that we can recharge and show up fully in every area of our life.
Speaker 1:So, how do you, how do you like? What would be the, what would be the advice that you would give someone? What advice would you give me someone? What advice would you give me? Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Use me as an example. I need to power down. Oh goodness, oh, my goodness. I definitely would first say, okay, how are you feeling about your life? How are you feeling about your everyday life, your business, your career? Are there areas when you feel really depleted? Okay, are there things that you're doing that really drain you, that are becoming a task that you once loved? Okay, that's the assessment. Let's start there.
Speaker 2:Okay, now, what changes do we need to make in our life in order for us to feel better, feel like we're prioritizing our wellbeing, feeling like we're still loving the things that we are called to do? What can we do to make changes so that we can feel like ourselves again? Because I think we get lost. We get lost in the hustle, we get lost in everyday life. So what can you do? Okay, so let's write it down.
Speaker 2:I just did this with a client last week. What does your dream life blueprint look like? Hmm, okay, what do you want to do? What do you love to do? What do you feel that you're called to do? How do you want to serve individuals?
Speaker 2:And then let's talk about what do you want your week to look like. You know we're like I don't want to be super busy on the weekends, okay. So then let's create a schedule doing whatever you're doing, your business, your career. That's going to fit in with what you want to do, how you want to flow throughout your everyday week. And then, when we talk about money, I said well, when you want to make money, what do you want that to look like? What type of business do you want to have? Do you want to speak? Do you want to do workshops?
Speaker 2:I think we really need to focus on being our authentic self and not just doing something because everyone else is doing it. What feels good to you? What is your flow? You think about a river, right, how it's just flowing. What's your flow? That's how we should be in our life and I think once we figure that out anyone, not just women once we figure that out, we'll be able to live authentically. Once we figure that out, we'll be able to live authentically right, fulfilling lives if we learn our flow. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:Oh, I love that visual of the river. I'm going to keep that in the vault. That's a good one. I love that, love that. Yeah, I'm in quite a few women's networking groups in my neighborhood where I live a couple of different ones and one of the things we were talking about recently was doing what you love and hiring someone to do the rest. And I know I was sitting there and I said I totally get it, but it's like that, well, I can just, I'm very quick at it, I'll just do it. It's faster if I just do it. I don't have time to train somebody to do it. And I think those were and everybody was like yeah, yeah, and that seems to be the common theme about around us females.
Speaker 2:Yes, it really is. And when I was speaking at a workshop, you know, like, why aren't you intentional about your risk? Or why aren't you doing these different things in your life that, no, you know will make your life better? You just don't do it. There's really not an excuse, right? We're just not doing it. We could do it if we wanted to. So we have to be intentional. The way we're being intentional about taking our car to the auto mechanic is the same way we need to be about our life. So I love, like you said, if you need an assistant, then hire one. Maybe you don't have the finances to hire someone full time. Hire someone part time. Hire someone for 10 hours a month to take away those tasks that are daunting to you, so that you can be freed up to do the things that you shine in.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely Love that. Can we talk for a minute about TED Talks? So I know that you've led some TED Talk conversations. Excuse me, what themes do you think come up when women talk about leadership and wellness?
Speaker 2:First, you already know they're overwhelmed, they're stressed, they are depleted. But in the conversations that we've had, we've heard these things from the women that are in the audience and the conversations that I've had with the speakers is that women really need to be aware, self-aware of where they are in their life, how they're feeling and really listening to their body and not ignoring the notifications, like we get on our cell phones, that you need to rest or you need to stop or you need to create a boundary or you need to say no. We ignore all those things, so we need to start being more self-aware as women about our lives.
Speaker 1:We tend to put ourselves last so often, and every single person in front of us, yeah, and I think that that's okay to a certain point. But I always say, if we burn ourselves out, then who's running the show? Because if we fall down, we're going to affect a lot of people around us. So it's so important for us to take care of ourselves.
Speaker 2:It really is. You know I was thinking about. I had a conversation with my mom. She's passed for some time now, but she was a stay-at-home mom right, six kids. My dad was a pastor, so you know she had a bunch of kids and of course she had dreams and desires, but she chose to be a stay-at-home mom, to be a wife.
Speaker 2:But I remember her having a conversation with my sisters and I when we were probably like 30, 40, 50 years old cause I'm the baby and she told us you know, if you want to get married, great, do that. If you want to have children, great, do that. She said, but don't forget to pursue you too. Don't forget to pursue you too. And that stuck with me. That is a pearl of wisdom that my mom has left with me that I share with your audience and with anyone listening. We sure you'll have a partner, you'll have a family, you'll have a business, but you need to make sure that you pursue the things that you want in your life, because you're still a person. The things in your dreams, your desires they still matter. Your purpose still matters, your calling still matters and you have to be the CEO of your life and take control and do those things.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, oh, your mother was wise, very wise. Love that, love that advice. So let's shift a little bit and talk about it's she stories. Yes, it's she Stories. So in your work with she Stories, how has storytelling played a role in women healing from burnout or overwhelmment?
Speaker 2:Jeez. I think the overarching theme of what she Stories has done for women it has validated them. It has validated them, helped them feel seen and helped them feel heard, and the stories that are shared in our communities have literally changed the lives of women. I think one of the things we, as women, need to hear is that you're not alone, you're not the only one that's going through it.
Speaker 2:I'm going through it too and there's this theme or this commonality that you share with one another that kind of gives you I don't want to say permission, but it kind of gives you the feeling like I can move forward too, or I can experience these things and still be okay, because I'm looking at this lady here, I'm looking at Julie, I'm looking at Amanda. So the stories have really helped women to make a conscious decision to take care of themselves. Either that's in therapy, because all of our storytelling events that we have are focused on mental health, so that's taking care of yourself. We have a therapist that's in the house at every event that we have. So I think women find their path to healing when they hear stories.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, so tell me a little bit about it. So is it, then, a speaking event that you're doing with she Stories, or what exactly is it that you're? What exactly is going on?
Speaker 2:So it is a storytelling community. So we do events surrounded around storytelling. It's themed, so we have two to three storytellers that we've either handpicked or have decided like hey, I want to share my story, I'm ready to share. So it's kind of set up where it's a small group of women, it's intimate 20 to 30 people. We share their, they share their story. And then we have our therapist that comes up at the end of each storytelling event. That helps women to deal with the triggers. It also helps women. She provides tools for the women and resources that they can use after the story. So that's kind of how we do our storytelling events. It's not like this big stage where you know women are on a stage and there's 500 people and you're sharing your story. It's more of an intimate gathering where we can be connected during the storytelling.
Speaker 1:And I love that you have a therapist in the house. I think that's so important, and in our books we make sure that we let women know, or readers whoever the readers are that if they're triggered, that they need to reach out to someone, Because some of our stories can certainly trigger other people, and so it's important that they reach out to whoever that person may be and they don't just sit with it. But I wish I could have a therapist in every one of my books. That'd be great. But I love that and I think that that's a real taking. I just love that you're just taking care of the women who are speaking and of the audience members. I think that's beautiful.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it, it's, it's. I'm a big mental health advocate. I used to work in the mental health industry and it's important. I believe, and you know, for some people that are experiencing different things in their life. If you've experienced pain, hurt, trauma or deep wounds, for some of us we need therapists, but for others, a life coach is okay. It can be, you know, a faith leader or it can even be a self-help book. You know, we're all in different stages in our lives but, you know, for the deeper wounds, I believe therapy is the key to a person's healing.
Speaker 1:Yes, I agree, I agree, uh, a hundred percent. And when, when women like me started, it was to help women who haven't been able to speak their truth, speak their truth, and, um, because I believe that that can help us. But absolutely, I 100 agree. There are times, uh, when, um, when someone needs to get some professional help to help them just to overcome um, whatever. Whatever it is, because of course, you know, telling your story is one thing and that can certainly help getting it out of the body, but then once it's sort of mulling around, um, if, if you can't sit with it, then definitely need to reach out for sure, if, you can't sit with it, then definitely need to reach out for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know? I just believe that I am a person that creates or curates safe spaces for women to share their story Beautiful.
Speaker 1:So do you have an age limit that comes in? Or who are your women? I know you said that you've got a community, but who would they be?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we have women that are between the ages of 30 and probably 55. Yeah, we've done a storytelling night in memory of my mom, honoring her for women that were 70 plus.
Speaker 1:Beautiful.
Speaker 2:And it was such an amazing event. And you know, I believe that you know, in the culture that we live in, today's society, you know, we share a little bit more right, especially on social media. We just were sharing all of our feelings and everything.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:Over sharing but sometimes oversharing. But it's great. I love that people feel comfortable now and to be vulnerable and transparent to share. But the older generation of women were taught you know what happens in this house, stays in this house, and they were given the safe space or the space period to share what they've gone through. So I think it's an awesome thing to create a space for older women that are 70 plus to share, because they have a story and the rich wisdom that they have can change the lives of so many women.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, through a major trauma that affected our family, um and uh and uh. And that's when I realized like, okay, a lot of what's going on in our family is generational trauma, and mainly because we're not talking about anything and and she never went for help to deal with what she was dealing with, what had happened, and it just, yeah, affected all of us, and so the trickle-down effect is sometimes nasty. And that's why I believe it's so important to be open about what's going on, because even I can tell you something really quickly which just came to me. I did a talk Well, that doesn't even matter. Okay, let me can tell you something really quickly, which which just came to me. I did a talk, um, well, that doesn't even matter. Okay, let me just tell you, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:So I have a bunch of stepsisters, uh, and we blended our family when I was 10, and she was a little younger than me, and then my mom went through this horrid trauma that she went through and I wrote about it in my book there, uh, and and I talked, I was talking about it on stage and she messaged me and she said why didn't I know about this? And I thought, and I thought well, I thought everybody knew about it, but I didn't say that to her. I said well, I don't know why you didn't know about it. Maybe it was because you were younger when it happened. I don't know why you didn't know about it. Maybe it was because you were younger when it happened, I don't know. And then she said and this is what happens in our families. I thought she hated me and I said she didn't hate you, she hated herself. Wow, and I thought to myself there you go.
Speaker 2:Yes, wow, and I thought to myself.
Speaker 1:There you go. Yes, there's stuff going on that we don't even know about, with our siblings and cousins and whatever you know whatever, and I thought, wow, like it was such a, it was and it wasn't really a secret, but we just didn't talk about it. Yeah, right and so, and so then here's my stepsister. I never knew that.
Speaker 1:She thought that, uh, my mom hated her wow and how do you grow up as a kid and her mother was killed in a car accident, so there's a lot of trauma going on. So how do you, how do you grow up thinking the person, this person person, hates you, but she didn't hate her? Wow, you know. And so that's the trauma of generations. It doesn't, you know, it's, it's yeah, it's just my yeah, it's just keeping these secrets, not talking about things, and you don't even know how it's affecting everybody else.
Speaker 2:Right, and I think we don't think about it right. We don't think about how it's affecting other people. I'm a survivor of domestic violence and you know, I was in a relationship with my husband and he was abusive and I had a daughter and you know I don't know where I got this from but I I would often have conversations and check-ins with my daughter, are you okay? You know, even after we left the relationship, because I wanted to make sure, like you just said, like I wanted to know how she felt so I wouldn't miss anything. You know, and with kids, you know, like you were saying, with your stepsister, it's like who knew that she felt that way all those years?
Speaker 1:She's in her fifties now. Wow, she's in her fifties. Wow, she's in her 50s now. Wow, she's in her 50s, wow, yeah, wow. That's what I, that's what I thought, and even what you just said about your. What happened with you. Imagine if you never talked about it like you didn't, like she didn't, you know, I mean, we talk about things in positive light, it doesn't have to be all that drama, but you know, this is why this is why this is happening, and how are you? And, and so my point in that is that you are healthy enough, you've dealt with it enough to be able to to then turn and help your child, knowing that she needs, needs questions, she needs conversations, so she needs conversations.
Speaker 2:So she understands.
Speaker 1:And I think so many of our kids are just sitting there in the dark going I don't know what's going on. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's so true. And you know I started she Stories because I was going through my DV relationship and never told a soul I would show up to church playing the piano, directing the choir. My family, no one ever knew that I was going through abuse. No one ever knew. I didn't tell until he passed away when my daughter was 13 years old, and I have a great family.
Speaker 2:But I didn't want to deal with the shame, right, yeah, the guilt, right. Why are you still in this relationship? The fear, you know, the judgment. I didn't want to deal with any of those things and I think that's the reason why a lot of us don't say anything or we wear these masks, we don't tell how we truly feel or share our stories because of those things. We don't want to be judged. We don't want to be judged, we don't want to feel shame. So we keep it to ourselves and you know, that's why I love what you're doing in your community as well as what I'm doing in mine is like, even if you haven't told a soul, this place is safe enough for you to share right here, and that's a step in the freedom right Of being released of this thing that's just been holding you like your stepsister for all these years.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, yeah, and yeah, no, absolutely. And one thing about what I do is it's being published in a book, so you can't be so. I mean, of course, it can still be shameful If that's what they hold onto, but they're such a huge release because it's like, oh, people are going to read this, so you know you better be okay with it because it's going out there. So, but, yeah, I just, I love what you're doing. I just think that it's so, so, so important.
Speaker 1:And I believe that you know, we don't even know the how many you know the women who are sharing their stories on your stage. They have no idea how many women they're helping. The ladies who are writing their personal stories in the books they have no idea how many women they're helping. Yeah, so let's, yeah, let's just stop this, this, all this craziness going on in the world. So, amanda, I love I have questions that I love to ask my podcast guests and I'm wondering if that would be okay with you, for sure, just to get to know you a little better. Okay, so the first one is if you could travel anywhere in the world tomorrow, where would you go and why would you go there?
Speaker 2:I think let me see where would I go. I think I would go to Tulum. I've heard a lot of great things about it, but I love beautiful places with clear blue water and beautiful sand beaches and I would go there because I just want to relax and hear the waves crashing and feel the breeze on my skin and just be pausing every single thing in life and just living in that moment.
Speaker 1:Well, there's your rest.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:That's your rest. Okay, what's your favorite way to unwind after you've had a really busy day?
Speaker 2:Well, I think for me, how I love to unwind is just being alone and listening to some lo-fi music and just relaxing. Yeah To unwind Nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay. Do you have a favorite motivational quote that keeps you going?
Speaker 2:Yeah, girl, you got this.
Speaker 1:I love that. I love that. That's awesome. That's a great one. Okay, and what about books? What is your favorite book that would inspire you?
Speaker 2:Hmm, there is a book that I have, um believe bigger by Marshawn Evans Daniels. It's such a great book and it's just. It's an amazing book about her going through her different pain and trauma in life and her shifts in her entrepreneurship and just really becoming who she is and reminding women to believe bigger. Don't box yourself in.
Speaker 1:Oh, I wrote that down. I believe is my favorite word. So as soon as you said that, I'm like oh, I got to write that down because I'm going to pull up that book, I'm pulling it up, okay.
Speaker 2:It's amazing.
Speaker 1:If you could have dinner with any woman in history, alive or passed on, who would it be and why?
Speaker 2:Wow, I think I would have dinner with my mom.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's so beautiful, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2:I would love to have dinner with my mom just for her to see how far I've come in my life, the things that I've accomplished, just the woman that I am. My mom used to always kid with me about, you know, dressing up and makeup and all this other stuff, and I would just love her to see the Amanda that she birthed and that's become.
Speaker 1:That is so beautiful, that is. Wouldn't that be something? Wouldn't that be something, wow, okay, my last question. If you could whisper one truth into the ear of every woman who is struggling right now, what would you say?
Speaker 2:I would say, I would say believe in the power that you have, believe in the power that you have. It hasn't gone, it's still there. Life has changed, but you still are a powerful woman and a force to be reckoned with.
Speaker 1:I love that. I love that and it's all true, absolutely. Wow. Oh, I got shivers. That was a good one. Well, thank you so much. So we're getting close to the end here, amanda, unfortunately. I would just like everyone to know that if you want to reach out to Amanda regarding she stories or the hustle, or how can you, as an entrepreneur, get some rest, or whatever it is that you need, she is there, and so we will have all of her details and contact links in the detail section of the video and the podcast so that you are able to reach out to Amanda and, and, yeah, just have a chat with her about if there's anything she can help you with, and and find out more about she stories. That's, that's pretty, pretty amazing stuff. So, amanda, any wisdom you want to share with our audience before we close.
Speaker 2:I just want to remind women. We go through so many changes and transitions in our life that I just want them to really believe in themselves and who they are and the power that they have. No matter what life has brought you, no matter where you are, even if you feel stuck, you still have it. You still have it. It hasn't gone away. It's inside of you and just need to find it and tap in. But you got it.
Speaker 1:Well, it's buried underneath all that stuff. Yeah, get that stuff out of there stuff.
Speaker 2:Get rid of it.
Speaker 1:Get rid of it.
Speaker 2:Go away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, lovely, lovely. Thank you so much. Well, I enjoyed this conversation so much. It was so full of wisdom and I love the connection that we have around stories and helping women to release what's holding them back. So, thank you, amanda, so much. I really appreciate you doing this so much. Okay, everybody. Well, that's it for this episode. Tune in again and remember that if you want to reach out to Amanda, all of her details and contact links are in our detail section. Until again thanks everyone.