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The Unspoken Money Stories Holding Women Back

• Julie Fairhurst • Episode 116

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What does your "rich life" really look like? For Michelle Cooper, founder of Alchemy Accounting and creator of the Rich Life Revolution program, this question sparked a profound realization while trying on $2,000 Louboutin shoes she would never wear. "I was getting caught up in other people's version of what a rich life looks like," she shares in this eye-opening conversation.

Drawing from her journey as an accountant who dug deeper into the psychological barriers holding her clients back, Michelle reveals the startling truth about our relationship with money. After losing both parents at a young age and navigating her own health struggles, business growth, and marriage breakdown, she brings rare insight to midlife transitions and the financial mindsets that either limit or liberate us.

The most surprising revelation? The stark difference between how men and women approach money. "Men rarely have a problem asking for what they want," Michelle observes, while women often discount their prices, over-justify their value, and avoid financial conversations altogether. This behavior creates an inherent inequality that keeps female entrepreneurs from reaching their full potential.

Through her mastermind program for midlife women, Michelle recreates the intergenerational female wisdom that modern life has fragmented, creating space for honest conversations about everything from menopause to microdosing for healing. Her message is simple yet revolutionary: "Everything you desire is possible." But first, you must have clarity about what you truly want, not what Instagram or society tells you success should look like.

Whether your rich life involves designer shoes or a homestead with goats, Michelle's wisdom helps you define wealth on your own terms

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Julie Fairhurst – Speaker, Author, and Founder of Women Like Me

Julie Fairhurst is a champion for women’s empowerment and the founder of the Women Like Me Book Program. Since 2019, she has published 30 books and 300+ true-life stories—at no cost to the writers—giving women a platform to heal, inspire, and reclaim their power. Dedicated to breaking generational trauma one story at a time, Julie’s mission is to uplift women emotionally and financially, helping them create better lives for themselves and their families.


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Speaker 1:

Hi everyone. Welcome to another episode of Women Like Me, stories and Business. Oh, I've got some special stories for you to hear today. So I am with Michelle Cooper, and she's the founder and principal accountant at Alchemy I don't know why I have trouble with that word alchemy accounting. Now, michelle's passion goes much further than numbers, and I'm just going to say that she has a program that she's going to tell us about because it's super interesting, called Rich Life Revolution. She's got a podcast and she runs a mastermind plus. She runs an accounting business. This lady has all sorts of good information for us. So, michelle, thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it.

Speaker 2:

Oh, thank you, Julie. I'm super excited for our conversation today.

Speaker 1:

Yeah Well, why don't we start out by you telling us a bit more about you? Yeah Well, why don't we start out by you?

Speaker 2:

telling us a bit more about you. Yeah, absolutely so. I grew up on the west coast of British Columbia, a hardworking commercial fisherman family, and my dad and my brothers were adamant that I would not follow in their footsteps, I would go to university and I would get a corporate job and, you know, live the corporate life. And so I did that for a while, right, and traveled the world in my career, lived in Europe and Africa. I lost my mom when I was nine. So that was a significant event, right. When we're talking about like women, like me, you know losing your mom at such a young age is significant impact, right. And then I lost my dad when I was 26.

Speaker 2:

Oh, my goodness and so, yeah, it was probably young to lose parents, Right, and feeling quite on my own, but traveled the world, had a great career, met my husband in England, had my kids there. I have three kids and then, when my oldest, holly, was four, she was set to start full-time school in England at four, right, and she was still having a nap during the day and like, yeah, needed supervision to eat. So I was like this feels really weird and young, um, to be at school all day at four. We made the decision to move back to Canada and, uh, you know, high cost of living. We ended up in Chilliwack. Um, and my I, my kids, grew up here.

Speaker 2:

Uh, I created my business here and, um, and things just blossomed from this place. Uh, my business grew really organically. Um, it was really about it started with me helping some local business owners in understanding their numbers and you know that led to creating a, you know, an advisory and an accounting and bookkeeping firm. But along the way, I had to learn my own lessons about money, own lessons about money, and I had to. I really had to learn what my limiting beliefs were around money and how they were obstacles for me achieving the lifestyle I wanted right, and so I probably say, like 2013-14, I really took a kind of sharp left turn into personal development and really kind of spent a lot of time working on myself and understanding my story and my trauma and how it had affected me and the decisions I made.

Speaker 2:

And, of course, what I saw was that these things that had happened in my life had caused me to have certain beliefs. This is just how it is right, and that caused me to make certain decisions and not all of those decisions were in my best interest, right, right and um, really just understanding. I got to understand, like my, my clients experience, because I would be sitting there talking to them about their numbers or, you know, helping them understand their profit and their cash flow and stuff, and I'd see them making the same mistakes over and over again and I was like there's something else here yeah.

Speaker 2:

I realized it was their relationship with money. Right, it wasn't about the actual business. Yeah, it was their belief system and their relationship with money, and a lot of them had a a relationship that was really based on fear and scarcity and lack guilt, shame, um, which kind of played into my story, and so doing the work for myself helped me help other people yeah and then, um, last year, uh, I decided I, you know, I I kind of got on the speaking kind of circuit and, you know, did a bunch of speaking like 2015, 16, whatever pre pandemic.

Speaker 2:

And then last year I decided I really like interviewing people and I really like the kind do. That is because in my own experience I found myself getting caught up in other people's version of abundance and other people's ideas of what a rich life is. So I was in California with a client and we had done this two days strategic planning thing and then she was like, do you want to go out to the outlet mall? Like I just feel like going for a walk and maybe some shopping, grab some food. I was like, yeah, that sounds great. We ended up at a Louboutin store. She loved Louboutin shoes, she's trying them all on and she's like, why don't you try some on? And I'm like, no, I don't really wear heels, right, like it's not really my thing, not my style.

Speaker 2:

But I found myself trying these shoes on and then, kind of like everybody you know in the store is like, oh my God, and you get caught up in it. Yes, and all of a sudden I'm like almost like paying $2,000 for a pair of shoes that I am never gonna wear, goodness Right. And I was like hang on, what's going on here? Like, yeah, I don't know if you'd call it peer pressure or whatever, but in reflection I didn't end up buying the shoes, but in reflection I realized that I was getting caught up in other people's version of what a rich life looks like. Right, like you know the whole kind of we had a little bit of it now still, but like the whole kind of Instagram million dollar business.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2:

All of that stuff. Right, yeah, I was totally in there, yeah, like, and I have a very successful business. So I I was like drinking the kool-aid and living it yeah, thing right, but I believe that your rich life can look like whatever you want it to look like. It doesn't have to. For some people, that might mean flying private or business class or designer clothes, oh, of course.

Speaker 2:

Other people might mean I live off grid with a bunch of goats and chickens. Yes, not my job to judge kind of thing. Yes, especially women who were kind of midlife to have some inspiration and a community that allowed them to look at this for themselves. Right, and I found that similar to myself. Right, like I was going through a transition my, my husband and I decided to separate. You know, my business was growing, my kids were going to university, like there was a lot of transition going on and I was also going through a big health you know situation, and so it was. It was important, I think to, for me to surround myself with other women who were facing similar things. Right, like you're not so alone, especially if you're an entrepreneur, it's very isolating.

Speaker 1:

Yes, it is so isolating yeah.

Speaker 2:

And you can think you're the only one that's going through this right or you hit menopause and you think, oh God, like am I the only person who's suffering this thing? Right? Yes, and I promise you you're not, but it can feel that way.

Speaker 1:

Yes, it can yes.

Speaker 2:

So the mastermind grew out of the podcast and yeah, it's just.

Speaker 1:

I think, it's.

Speaker 2:

I think it's so interesting how you've had you know you have that life.

Speaker 1:

It's so interesting how you've had you know you have that life and the skills that you developed through university and education and then your business are the ones that you are now helping other women with. I mean, it's just, it's just a, it seems like a natural fit for you.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, for sure, right, because, like, like I said, there's the, there's the accounting piece, right, like there's the. You know things have to balance and we have to record income and expenses and stuff like that. But then there's the piece underneath. That is even more important yes there's the reason why we're making the decisions we're making, and there's a lot of things that come into play in regards to that. And also, where are we getting caught up in somebody else's vision of what life is supposed to look like, at wherever we're at in life?

Speaker 1:

Yes, I love that. That's so true, because it's, it's, it's, um, it's almost like you know what are you keeping up with the joints joneses for totally, yeah, like they're not, yeah, they're not even, you're not even wanting to do their thing. And then, on the other side, though, you get, you get those, that women, I think the fear of money, but they don't even realize it. I've got a friend who said many times well, I just want to be comfortable, okay, well, what? But? But you can't tell me what comfortable means. You know what? What does that mean for you to be comfortable?

Speaker 2:

yeah, I had a client who said to me just really like, flippantly and passing more money, more problems, and I was like, oh yeah, yeah, we look at that right. Yeah, because if that's what you truly believe, yes, and of course you're going to self-sabotage and not make more money. Of course, right, and it's not all about the money, right, like I don't really care how much you make, right, and it's not all about the money, right.

Speaker 1:

Like I don't really care how much you make, right? No, of course, of course. But we have to be able to. This is what I tell people. We live in Canada. We have to have money to survive. That's just the way it is. We don't, you know, we can't. Just, you can't just go and live off the grid.

Speaker 2:

It doesn't well, I guess you could try. Even if you did, you'd still need some money you still need some money.

Speaker 1:

Absolutely, yes, and and, and. So it's okay to have money, it's okay to to want to have money. My mom was the worst. My mom was oh, those bloody rich people, blah, blah, blah, like that kind of stuff, just like, oh, my goodness, you know, and which makes you, as you grow up, like that. Then you think, oh, the rich people are not nice, they're nasty people. But no, they're not, they're perfectly, they're perfectly normal and they're nice and they're kind and and generous and all of those kind of things. So so the messages we hear as we grow up, all of those kind of things, so so the messages we hear as we grow up.

Speaker 1:

And then, even as an adult, you know the excuses we make and you know whether I just want to be comfortable is an excuse not to have to step out of the comfort zone and do more. I don't know. But, um, yeah, but there's so many great things in the world, but, and great lives, but we have to be able to eat. I would say I'd rather eat a steak than a hot dog if I have a choice. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. Well, you must see a lot of, so, do you? So I'm curious now. So how do your women and clients for your accounting business? So how did? How do you find they differ, or do they differ?

Speaker 2:

Well, I think that often the business owner has kind of created a business or fallen into a business because of a skill they have or a desire like they like doing this thing right yes, and so they end up in that business.

Speaker 2:

Um, do they want to be business owners? Sometimes not necessarily, right, but this is how it's rolled out. Um, they often don't know what they don't know. Yes, and when you're creating a business, um, you've got to wear all the hats, right, so, um, they're. They're often women.

Speaker 2:

Entrepreneurs are often highly driven and they will sacrifice themselves for the business. Right, so they could, they can overwork, right, they can get into situations of burnout, um, exhaustion, right, like all of that. But they also often are, um, just because they have a business, they doesn't mean they don't have other roles and responsibilities, right, right, of course, they're the mom, they're the daughter, they're the caregiver, they're the spouse, they're, you know, all these things, they're the you know, the coach of the kids' soccer team, whatever it is right, yes, yes, and so it's not. I find that it's often not a situation where they can, just, you know, close the office door and leave, right, and so they carry a lot around with them, and that can really weigh on us heavily then that when you're uh, when you're having to uh give advice, that that men and women are sort of the same, similar type of advice is given.

Speaker 2:

No, actually, um, I don't want to like generalize or stereotype of course not, of course not.

Speaker 1:

I'm.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, but I've worked with men and women. Yes, I've worked with hundreds and hundreds of clients over the years, and the one thing I would say is that men rarely have a problem in asking for what they want.

Speaker 2:

Oh, yes, and they rarely have a problem in knowing their value or their worth. Yes, so in their pricing, in their um, you know what their, what their, uh, they feel something, their time is worth. Let's say, right, um, I I don't. I don't know all the reasons why. I know some of it. Right, it's just the, and I see it right, like a man will say a price and not even care, right, where a woman will be like wanting to justify it. Well, there's this and then there's that, and then I got to do this and that, and you know, and women will often also discount, don't discount.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and so they'll be like well, you know I can, and then I can, you know, cut 500 bucks off, or and so there's this kind of inherent inequality that happens in the marketplace of business Right, whereas if you're dealing with a man, he's most likely just going to tell you the price. Here's what it is. You do it or you don't. I don't buy it, I don't care. Yeah, yeah, a woman is going to like do this whole dance around you about it.

Speaker 2:

Right, yes and really it's about their own understanding, their own value and their own worth and the value of their time, and their energy and and being confident, and talking about money yes, right last night I was at a uh a workshop and the topic was wealth strategies for retirement, right, right, and it's a room of entrepreneurs.

Speaker 2:

And, um, the man doing the workshop, um, he was talking about life insurance strategies for retirement planning, right, and there was men and women in the group and, as I looked around, a lot of the women were on their phone. Ah, yeah, because they're avoiding usually yes, right. So I saw a lot of women on their phone scrolling social media, maybe not feeling like they totally understood what the guy was saying, maybe not feeling comfortable to ask questions. The men were all in on what this dude was talking about.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and it was really great information. And so, like I'm asking questions, right, I'm like, well, what about this, what about that? And the lady beside me. And so, like I'm asking questions, right, I'm like, well, what about this, what about that? And the lady beside me. She's like, oh, you have such good questions, you're so brave. I said, well, if you've got questions, you got to ask. Like there's no stupid questions. She's like, oh, I can't. Yeah, right, it's just, it's something that's happened. It's something that's happened Like, if I use that lady as an example, it's something that's happened where she doesn't feel confident to ask a question in front of other people. Yeah, and that could be as simple as, I don't know, grade three, you want to put your hand up and ask a question?

Speaker 2:

and the teacher said, no, yeah, and then you made a decision that you're not the part you're not supposed to ask questions, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, michelle, that, thank you for that. That was an excellent example. And also about women not charging enough. It's funny. You said that because I had a conversation a few days ago with a woman who is an entrepreneur and she's in she, she does fairly well, but she told me that she had a coach. And because the coach said you're not charging enough, you need to charge more. And and she, she said no, I don't want to, I'm not comfortable with it, she said, well, I can't work with you then because I can't help you. And I thought, wow, it just really made me think, because I think I'm a bit that way. You know, I there's.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, lots of us are like that and I just it just really made me think.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and there's a lot that goes into pricing strategy right. Like you know there's market threshold, obviously Right, like if the market says it's $200 and you're trying to charge $800, it might be harder Right.

Speaker 2:

Yes, but like I always think about this video I saw with who was it? I can't remember who it was with. Oh, it was 50 Cent, actually, and he was saying a bottle of water at the corner store is a dollar, a bottle of water at the airport is five dollars, yeah, and a bottle of the same bottle of water on an airplane is ten dollars, yes. Right, and you'll pay any of those amounts in any given situation if you want the bottle of water, yeah right, yes, so I agree.

Speaker 2:

I agree that there's there's things like market threshold and there's you know all kinds of stuff like that. But at the end of the day, like I find this in my accounting business, like there's some just basic math things like your price needs to go up because your costs are too high, yes, right, yes, compared to what your price is Right, like, your margin isn't enough. So either you got to shrink your costs yes, you got to raise your price, yes or to get more money at the end of the day, Right, yes, and if you're not willing to do some of these things, then, yeah, you shouldn't be working with that person you shouldn't be working with that person, yeah, right, because you can't help them.

Speaker 1:

No, I understand, yes, yes, but I just thought, um, it just it's a little bit of a wake-up call for people who hear that little story. Yeah, that, that, yeah, you know, and, and, and, yeah, anyway, I, I, it's, it's money is a big conversation, it's a huge conversation. It's huge. So tell me how you help people in your mastermind. What is?

Speaker 1:

it that you're tell me a few of the core things that you're doing to help women. I'm just going to say women. I know you work with men as well, but for how you can help women.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so the mastermind is for midlife women, and usually they're going through some kind of transitional phase, right, so it might be a health transition, maybe career or business. They've exited their business or they're changing career, or, um, empty nest is a big one, right, like, oh my, what do I do with my time now? Right, relationship breakdown, and so in the mastermind what we're doing is creating a safe space for people to have an honest conversation about what's going on, right, and the things that are going on kind of underneath that that might not be serving them Right, right, sometimes you need that friend to point out the thing that you can't see. Right, like, yes, if your goal is to I don't know eat healthier, why are you in the mcdonald's drive-thru? Yeah, right, like right, exactly.

Speaker 2:

No, those two things aren't going to work out together, right, um, so it very much is a community of peers who are going through things together, and I facilitate the conversations. And then the other part of it that I think is really valuable is I bring in people that I've either worked with personally or, I know, do really good work, that are very topic specific, right, so we've had somebody come in and talk about hormone health. Right, yeah, we've had somebody come in and talk about sleep. We had a gal come in and talk about understanding your human design, like all kinds of crazy things, microdosing like all the things right, yes, yes, but it's like now you can pick up and put down what you want, right?

Speaker 2:

Some things you might be like oh, I want to learn more. Other things you might be like oh, that's not my thing right?

Speaker 2:

Yes, yes, but at least you're being exposed to information, right, and you have options, right, yes, yes, and you have, maybe, a trusted resource. I found for me, especially in my health journey over building my business and marriage breakdown and all these things. I was like 100 pounds overweight, right, and so I went through like a five year health journey to try to calm my nervous system, regulate my body, my hormones, like, lose the weight, become stronger all the things. In that I ended up losing the 100 pounds, but the more important thing, I think, is that I came to find myself in that, but along the way, it was hard and I felt really alone and I felt that people didn't understand what I was going through.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and I needed resources. Like I feel like I talked to everybody about everything. Yeah, right, like I'm going to talk to food, hormones, supplements, like energy, like all all the things, yeah, and I would say, like anything, it wasn't one thing that worked, it was everything right, and a big part of that, which is something that you talked about, was understanding the trauma that I had experienced in my life and how my body was holding on to that, right, yeah, and how it was affecting me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, yeah, and so, yeah, it's just really about um exposing the ladies to options I love that and I love the, the being the resource, and I love having all of those different people, uh, come in and share their wisdom and and even and I agree, even if it's there's, you can pick and choose what works for you. But even to hear something, to learn about, something that you're not necessarily going to do yourself is still knowledge. It still helps you to grow. There's always those little things that can help us along the way, and we never know when that one little nugget is going to be the one that's going to help us Absolutely.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely. And even you know, like, we had an amazing practitioner come in and talk about microdosing psilocybin, right, and one of the ladies like I was talking about how I did that for to help with post concussion syndrome. So I had suffered a couple of major concussions. I used to play roller derby and, you know, hit my head, all the things and it really helped and so on. That call I was sharing, like you know, this is how I found Dana and this is how you know, um, how this helped me. Yes, and um, she's going to talk to you about this. One of the gals in the mastermind was like, oh, my daughter has a post-concussion syndrome. I wonder if this would help her, right, and so it might not even be for you, it could be for somebody else that you care about, but you might not have even known this thing even existed.

Speaker 2:

Right, yes, yeah, it's like we don't know what we don't know.

Speaker 1:

We, oh we don't know what we don't know. I'm shocked. I'm shocked half the time that I don't know what I don't know. And I'll find something out and I'll go. What else is there that I don't know Totally so much?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, wow.

Speaker 1:

I, just I. I think it's what you're, what you're sharing with women is so important. It's so important because we need to lift ourselves up in every way and every and each other, and each other and each other.

Speaker 2:

And I think, if you if you think about how cultures used to be, where women would be in community with other women of all different ages.

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

Right, so you'd have the older women, the younger women, everybody in between, and it was a community, right? Yeah, that doesn't happen as much anymore. No, right, we're not living in the same houses and our communities are not as they're, maybe sometimes a little disjointed, and sometimes we can feel very isolated right. And so I think that it really helps to have community and have even, specifically, the people who are navigating some of the similar things that you are at your stage right, yes, yes especially if you, you know, like me, I don't have a mom, like I was, like I don't have a mom to tell me what's supposed to happen in menopause.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, who do you talk to? I don't have a grandma, I don't have a mom to tell me what is supposed to happen in menopause. Yeah, who do you talk to? I don't have a grandma, I don't have a mom Like I got no ass. Like who do you talk to about this stuff, right? So then you're Googling it. You're like I'm reading books, and the same thing was true when I was pregnant. I was like I don't have anybody to ask.

Speaker 1:

Like is this normal?

Speaker 2:

Right, like should I be feeling this way? And so I was kind of like well, we can talk about these things together and have a have that safe space to have these conversations and it to be okay to ask questions.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yeah, you're so right, you're so right and it is. Yeah, you're so right, you're so right and it is it's. I think that the whole situation has gotten worse again because of so many of us working from home alone. I belong to several networking groups, and that's one of the big concerns a lot of people have.

Speaker 1:

So I think that it's we have definitely become. It's become easier to connect with people because here we are, but then, on the other hand, it's become harder because that personal connection is just not the way it used to be, for sure, absolutely Like.

Speaker 2:

I think that there was some great things that happened actually in the pandemic right in the people use zoom and, you know, people are even probably in some ways more connected now than ever before. Yeah, but at the same time, um, it is even easier now to isolate yourself.

Speaker 2:

Yes, for sure, especially if you're feeling overwhelmed or anxiety or whatever, and it's easy to be like, oh, I'm just gonna hermit over here yes yeah, and and that that probably like there's a time for that, but that can not be super great, right for sure, it could be a downward spiral yeah, for sure, absolutely no, that's so.

Speaker 1:

You're so right, michelle. Can I ask you a few questions? I've got a few favorite questions I like to ask my guests okay so this, this one's gonna be almost a silly one, because I've been following you for several years and and and you've been everywhere.

Speaker 2:

But here's your question.

Speaker 1:

If you could travel anywhere in the world tomorrow. Where would you go and why?

Speaker 2:

Oh, wow. Well, I have traveled a lot and I've seen amazing things, but there is one really special thing I'd like to see, which I'd like to see the polar bears in northern. Canada, I think, like to see, like the Arctic and the polar bears, the ice, like all of that yeah. I think would be amazing. Yes, and I haven't done that yet.

Speaker 1:

So that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. Okay, what's your favorite way to unwind after a busy day?

Speaker 2:

oh, oh, my goodness. So my guilty pleasure, um, probably like a lot of people and I have to monitor myself is scrolling Instagram reels. Oh yeah, my, my Instagram feed is definitely not business related. It's full of dogs and cats and goats and chickens and gardening and all these crazy things. Um, and that it is. It is a I have to make sure it doesn't go on for too long, right, but it is a fun way because I'm sending I'm actually, you know, like I'll send little reels to my friends and stuff like that, right, and it gets going back and forth and stuff like that.

Speaker 2:

Um, but uh, you know if, outside of that and I try not to do that too much because it's a little brain numbing Right I enjoy, I really enjoy, like I live in Chilliwack like you yeah, we've got great, like hiking and mountains and lakes.

Speaker 1:

And I enjoy.

Speaker 2:

I've got two golden retrievers, so I love going out with my dogs and just being in nature. Yeah, I find that really grounding.

Speaker 1:

That's beautiful, yeah, but I I get that. I get the um, the scrolling thing and part of it, I think, for people like you. My husband comes home from work and does his scrolling thing for a bit. I just leave and be. It's the mind. If you're using your mind all day long and your work is all about your mind, that's yeah. You just need to veg for a bit yeah, just relax that, relax that mind. Okay, what is a favorite motivational quote that keeps you going?

Speaker 2:

oh well, I'd say the one right now that is really, uh, pertinent for me is if you don't like a situation, go create an agreement that changes it oh, that's a good one yeah, so I had to. I was a friend of mine shared a video with me on the difference between expectations and agreements and I realized I had a lot of expectations of people, yeah, and they didn't necessarily agree to those expectations.

Speaker 1:

Of course they didn't.

Speaker 2:

Right and so very interesting. Yeah, and so it leads to you feeling disappointed of course, but they didn't agree to it, so it's not fair right, I get that, yeah, and so that's really good yeah, I was like, oh well, this is kind of a game changer, I think, um, and so one of the quotes it was actually tedx talk, but the the guy said if you don't like a, if you're finding yourself in a situation that you don't like, you need to go and create an agreement with that person that changes that situation.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

And if that person, if you can't create an agreement, then you need to get out of that. Yes, yes, it's not. It's not resonant, it's not in alignment Right.

Speaker 1:

That's a good one. I like that one. Okay, what's your favorite book that inspires you?

Speaker 2:

oh, I love books. Um, um, let me see um. A great book business-wise I would say that I've read recently is by Dan Martell, called Buy Back your Time. That's a phenomenal book if you're a business owner, entrepreneur, and I think one of my favorite kind of novel books anything by Colleen Hoover. I love her, I think she's awesome, but also I love Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.

Speaker 1:

Oh, yes, yes, oh good, that's a good one. That is a good one. Okay, if you could have dinner with any woman in history, who would it be, and why?

Speaker 2:

Oh, my goodness, you know, I think right now, because I'm watching her show, I think I'd love to have dinner with Pamela Anderson. I'm watching her shows the cooking one and also the reno one, yes, on tv, yeah, and I'm really inspired by her story and her, her shift. Yes, right, like I think we've all probably seen, she's kind of gone makeup free and, yeah, all the things right, and I know like she's been a vegan for a long time. Yes, totally aware of that, but I, I really, uh, I would, really, I'd love to have dinner with her and just like, yeah, I think there's a, there's a lot going on for her, yes, and she has navigated a lot of change yes, she has.

Speaker 1:

Yes, well, well, maybe Pamela will happen to see this and invite you for dinner with something, no, no no, put it out to the universe. Okay, and my last question if you could whisper one truth in the ear of every woman who's struggling right now, what would you say?

Speaker 2:

Everything you desire is possible.

Speaker 1:

Have to have clarity though.

Speaker 2:

That's like you have to know what you desire, right, you have to know, oh, and like anything is possible, absolutely anything.

Speaker 1:

Wow, love that. That's beautiful. Yeah, wow, well, michelle, thank you so much for doing this. I appreciate it so much. Is there any words of wisdom that you'd like to share before? Oh, I just sorry to interrupt, so I will have michelle's details on how you can reach out to her in the details section of the YouTube and of the podcast. So if you want to reach out to her, go ahead and you can find her information there. Okay, michelle, any words of wisdom that you would like to share?

Speaker 2:

I think it just. It's back to anything is possible, right? Good, bad, ugly, it doesn't matter, right? But if we can approach our life with clear vision, clarity of what we desire to experience, it's like you said. It's like putting it out there. Just put it out there, right, be willing to say it out loud, yes. And if you're not, be willing to look at why yeah, yeah, that's um, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:

And I would just like to add, because I heard this recently, where a woman doesn't use the word goals, she uses the word desire. I love that. So I'm going to quit using the word goals and I'm going to start using the word what I desire, which is the same as my goals, but it means, but it does feel, different Feels different right. Way different. Yeah, yeah, so that was perfect. Well, thank you again, michelle, and thank all of you for watching this episode, and we'll have another one coming soon, so you all take care.

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